Is Asperger's considered a right hemisphere disorder?

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26 Sep 2009, 10:51 pm

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Indeed, the average Aspie brain (INMHO, I am not a neurologist) has maybe twice or three times moreneuron connections to the left then neurotypicals.


I knew it had more, but I didn't know it had twice or three times more. So why don't aspies have IQ of 200 or 300, and why don't they spend 4 years in school instead of 12? Is it because the more gifted people are not training themselves as much as less gifted ones, since they don't have as much pressure to?

It's because IQ tests and school work is designed for NT's. Some with an ASD could have a high IQ and some have the potential to have a high one but with the way the test is set out they may never know this.


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26 Sep 2009, 11:18 pm

I think the right hemisphere is the side that went a little haywire in my case. I went and stuck my head in a big magnet yesterday (MRI). I'm pretty anxious to see what it looks like up there.



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27 Sep 2009, 3:01 pm

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I read somewhere that for the most part it's the right hemisphere of the brain that thinks in pictures and it's the left hemisphere of the brain that describes those pictures. If this is true, then for me the right hemisphere is quite active, and the left hemisphere is a bit inept; and therefore makes the ability to describe the pictures in the right hemisphere a bit challenging.


Exactly! I have it the same way here.



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I believe the right hemisphere is the one that controls intiution and perception, whereas the left controls rationality and analysis.

If you want to call Aspergers's a disorder, which I disagree with, but for the purpose of arguement, let's say it is. I believe what happens is this the right hemisphere is deprieved of connections with neurons at the expense of the left hemisphere. Indeed, the average Aspie brain (INMHO, I am not a neurologist) has maybe twice or three times moreneuron connections to the left then neurotypicals but only half of the connections to the right of NTs.


I'm not sure what I am then as I'm good at all those things. I use both intuition and logic when I think. Using logic alone is too slow. I think of intuition as simply being hidden logic. Instead of thinking along the lines A->B->C->D I only consciously think A->D with B and C happening "under the surface". Then when I have to explain my reasoning to someone else I have to put in some effort to recover B and C and this requires more time.


Same here. I think what happens is we use logic at a more rapid rate and are wired so that "using" logic is prioritized over finding the words to "express" it.



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10 Nov 2010, 2:27 am

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I believe the right hemisphere is the one that controls intiution and perception, whereas the left controls rationality and analysis.

If you want to call Aspergers's a disorder, which I disagree with, but for the purpose of arguement, let's say it is. I believe what happens is this the right hemisphere is deprieved of connections with neurons at the expense of the left hemisphere. Indeed, the average Aspie brain (INMHO, I am not a neurologist) has maybe twice or three times moreneuron connections to the left then neurotypicals but only half of the connections to the right of NTs.


I'm not sure what I am then as I'm good at all those things. I use both intuition and logic when I think. Using logic alone is too slow. I think of intuition as simply being hidden logic. Instead of thinking along the lines A->B->C->D I only consciously think A->D with B and C happening "under the surface". Then when I have to explain my reasoning to someone else I have to put in some effort to recover B and C and this requires more time.


Same here. I think what happens is we use logic at a more rapid rate and are wired so that "using" logic is prioritized over finding the words to "express" it.

Yea. I don't seem to be as "wordy" as a lot of other people on this site. The translation process for thoughts to words is often a struggle.



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10 Nov 2010, 5:41 am

marshall wrote:
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I believe the right hemisphere is the one that controls intiution and perception, whereas the left controls rationality and analysis.

If you want to call Aspergers's a disorder, which I disagree with, but for the purpose of arguement, let's say it is. I believe what happens is this the right hemisphere is deprieved of connections with neurons at the expense of the left hemisphere. Indeed, the average Aspie brain (INMHO, I am not a neurologist) has maybe twice or three times moreneuron connections to the left then neurotypicals but only half of the connections to the right of NTs.


I'm not sure what I am then as I'm good at all those things. I use both intuition and logic when I think. Using logic alone is too slow. I think of intuition as simply being hidden logic. Instead of thinking along the lines A->B->C->D I only consciously think A->D with B and C happening "under the surface". Then when I have to explain my reasoning to someone else I have to put in some effort to recover B and C and this requires more time.


Same here. I think what happens is we use logic at a more rapid rate and are wired so that "using" logic is prioritized over finding the words to "express" it.

Yea. I don't seem to be as "wordy" as a lot of other people on this site. The translation process for thoughts to words is often a struggle.


your posts make a heck of a lot of sense to me. either you express yourself incredibly well in those (fewer?) words, or i just relate well to the way you think. are you HFA? i struggle to find words too and for someone of my intelligence have (what seems to me) an embarrassingly small working vocabulary in actual conversation.

i find this interesting:
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The latest paper on such suggests that it is (2009).

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CONCLUSIONS: HFA involved mainly left hemisphere white-matter systems; ASP affected predominantly right hemisphere white-matter systems. The impact of HFA on basal ganglia white matter was greater than ASP.


if there is any kind of consensus on this, i'd say i'm more an HFA type than an ASP type. i've been wondering also if i have comorbid basal ganglia ADD. but i don't know enough (about either the difference between HFA and AS, whether it is greater than just the diagnostic criterion of delayed speech acquisition or lack of it; or about basal ganglia ADD) to really overponder it. maybe also some people with AS are just more right brained (and visual / spatial thinkers) and some more left brained (and verbal).

i recently discovered i have a cousin with NLD and though i haven't met him, from description sounds like he has AS and is just crap at math. i'm not sure of the distinction there either. (except as it is hemispheric)


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10 Nov 2010, 6:39 am

I dunno what I have, definitely have a touch of autizm in some way. I am a 'rightie' brained person, but I didn't have speech delay, and AFAIK, that's one of the key differences between a diagnosis of HFA, and one of AS. My understanding of this might be utterly wrong.


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10 Nov 2010, 6:44 am

Roman wrote:
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Indeed, the average Aspie brain (INMHO, I am not a neurologist) has maybe twice or three times moreneuron connections to the left then neurotypicals.


I knew it had more, but I didn't know it had twice or three times more. So why don't aspies have IQ of 200 or 300, and why don't they spend 4 years in school instead of 12? Is it because the more gifted people are not training themselves as much as less gifted ones, since they don't have as much pressure to?


We have to hang around for 12 years in school waiting for everyone else to finish getting to know each other. I reckon I could have cruised through school in 4 years too.



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10 Nov 2010, 7:26 am

We used to talk about the hemispheres of the brain because the only way we could observe things about its physical functioning was when they were separated. Currently, we are able to observes many distinct regions of neural functioning.

Autism is the result of a brain that is very quick to make certain types of connections and very slow to make other types of connections. The brains we identify as Aspergers tend to have strong connections in the sections that process math/science and visual/spatial information. But remember that Aspergers is an artificial distinction that is in diagnostic situations going away. Autistic people in general seem just as likely to develop strong connections is any area: we just tend to identify them as Aspies if their areas of strength and weakness fit more or less into a few stereotypes.


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19 Jan 2011, 12:36 pm

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