I thought people said Jesus changed rulesabout killing kids?

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From Mark 7:

"5So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, "Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with 'unclean' hands?"

6He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.' 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men."

9And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[c] your own traditions! 10For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 11But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), 12then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. 13Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that." "

Even Jesus is critical of parents who don't kill their unruly children, why don't christians kill their disrespectful children now?

In my own opinion, because their having already stepped so far away from Torah has effectively made them ignorant of, incapable of and even ineligible for any right-ruling at all.

Hes not talking about the Jews, hes talking about Christians. I dont know what you think the Torah has to do with the actions of Christians, unless you are suggesting that Christians are ineligible for right-ruling?

To sum up the original posters point: Jesus is advocating (in the new testament) that people should kill their disobedient children.

The "Christians" being addressed in Mark 7 were Jews.



Not true. He was simply calling certain people out for nullifying Torah.

Not the point. Jews dont read the new testament. The lesson is pointed at Christians. You cannot teach students who are absent.

That does not change the fact that what was said there was said to Jews.



Only by people who neither understand the lesson nor who was being addressed.

No he isn't; the reference to old Scripture had nothing to do with with whether one should or should not put their kids to death. Like his disciples, Jesus might look at you and ask you why you are so obtuse (v18) for your poor attempt at reading. If you'll note, the text actually does not stop at verse 13, as you seem to have found necessary. In fact, it continues on all the way through verse 23. Additionally, you started at verse 5 instead of the first verse, which sets the tone of the entire story by stating clearly the issue the Pharisees brought to Jesus.

The Pharisees and other teachers of the law were concerned about why the disciples didn't wash their hands as they did and questioned Jesus on this. For them, washing hands wasn't done so much for hygiene, but instead for ceremonial purposes (as noted in the text you failed to cite). Jesus, went on to state, that which is unclean comes from the inside and goes out, not the other way around (also missing from the OP). Verses 17-19 are very clear about this as it notes that Jesus' disciples questioned him about his words and he asked them if they were dull and proceeded to talk about where uncleanliness comes from and says nothing about killing one's children.

Google search "atrocities in the Bible".
There you will find some disturbing stuff.

Even if we assume that the old testament is not for Christians to follow, why do they even have it jointed with the new one... To quote it when something good is said?

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"Even Jesus is critical of parents who don't kill their unruly children, why don't christians kill their disrespectful children now?"

Don't give them any ideas...

Uh, maybe to understand how they got from point A to point B? You know, it's called PERSPECTIVE.

You are conflating an ancient conversation with its latter day narration.

The narrator/author(Mark? via the translator) is speaking to the beholder(thats me). He narrates what he heard. The biblical representations of the Jews and Jesus are not the real people, but literary symbols without mouths or ears. I am the only observer. The real Jewish guys experienced something slightly less bookish.

Was the bible(well, that verse anyway) really written to record the fact that Jesus told off some hypocritical Jews? No it was preserved to address a point to students of Christianity.

The direction that disobedient children should be whacked may have implications about abortion. A woman who unwillingly is stuck with a disobedient egg that got itself fertilized against her will may, by that Biblical passage, be justified in having an abortion.

According to Christians, a child is a gift of God not the choice of the egg.

But if you are a nonbeliever then it is you who caused the pregnancy, in this case, God steps backs and smokes a cigarette while he says "not MY gift, bro, you can kill that one if you want, after all, I made Satan to make you do it, so go ahead, prove me right, abort it!! !".

No. There were no "students of Christianity" when that was written.

Maybe start with a Children's bible.

What are the 10 commandments? Something like:
1.I'm God.
2.Don't be Owned by any thing else like dumb statues.
3.Don't disrespect the name of God with bad words.
4.Chill out once a week and look at good stuff and remember me.
5.Respect your parents.
6.Don't Steal
7.Don't Kill People ***
8.Don't Tell Lies about people, that's the devil's job.
9.Don't Do It with someone else's wife.
10.Don't wish for things that aren't yours, or you might get them by being bad.

What was the first and second law?
1.Don't eat the "apple" or you'll learn good and bad things and then die.
Then Adam and Eve ate the apple and knew it was bad,
and that they were bad, and that they should not be seen,
they should hide...so Adam said:
2.they should NOT BE NAKED.

Jesus said the laws aren't good for you, they punish you.
He said A good law is Love God and Your Neighbor like your self.
It is a good law that says how to be good, not how to get punished.
If people only think about that one,
they don't think about breaking commandments.

Love isn't something that you can just obey or else get punished,
but if you do love god and care about other people as much as your self,
its a sign you are doing good.

God made the world a garden with free food growing on trees.
There was gold in the garden but no need for money.
The bad things in the world are mostly made by people and the devil.