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22 Feb 2010, 2:58 pm

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I am Australian so I don't really know the exact state of politics in the US but this is something I have observed a fair bit- the Barack Obama bashing, hate or w/e you want to call it.

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This is virtually no different from the 'left's' endless and seriously hateful bashing of every Republican President that we've had ever since Nixon.

Aside from personal viewpoints and political tactics that I strongly disagree with, BHO cannot seem to utter a coherent sentence without first reading it as pre-written text on a teleprompter (unlike GWB), thus the 'empty suit' thing, and his first in line to succeed him (Vice-President Joe Biden) is a walking gaff-factory.

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November of 2012 cannot come soon enough.

Sigh....

Mike



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22 Feb 2010, 3:15 pm

Also, I believe that BHO mainly chose Rahm Emmanuel as his COS because they were both from Chicago (Emmanuel was a USHouse representative) and that they both came of political 'age' at about the same time in the same Chicago Political Machine™ - where it is unabashed, no holds barred, win-at-all-costs thug politics of the rawest sort.

(I should know these things, I live only three hours' drive time from Chicago and all of the city's news/talk radio voices come in loud and clear here in NE Wisconsin.)

Remember that BHO won all of his prior elections by having his campaign 'clear the playing field' of all of his opponents - for a seat in the Illinois state legislature, they were all literally removed from the ballot and for his USSenate seat, they strong-armed another state into opening legally sealed records from his Republican opponent's divorce and used all of the dirt in it against him, ultimately causing him to drop out of the race.

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22 Feb 2010, 3:54 pm

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This is virtually no different from the 'left's' endless and seriously hateful bashing of every Republican President that we've had ever since Nixon.

The criticism of Obama has gone somewhat farther than the criticism of Bush I and II ever did, and besides that more of the Obama bashing is completely unfounded- I'm referring here to the secret Muslim claims, the birther movement, etc. People called Bush II a chickenhawk because he was a draft dodger in Vietnam but was more than willing to put our troops in danger in Iraq in Afghanistan. These are very different criticisms.

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Aside from personal viewpoints and political tactics that I strongly disagree with, BHO cannot seem to utter a coherent sentence without first reading it as pre-written text on a teleprompter (unlike GWB), thus the 'empty suit' thing, and his first in line to succeed him (Vice-President Joe Biden) is a walking gaff-factory.

Obama was a college professor, I'm sure he is quite able to speak with or without a teleprompter. And don't pretend like the teleprompter is a new invention; politicians from both parties have been using it for ages.

To the rest, just wow. You seem to be claiming that GWB is more capable of forming a coherent sentence than Obama. That's just plain false; Bush couldn't form a complete sentence with or without a teleprompter. And if you want to talk gaffs, instead of looking at Biden let's look at Palin or Dan Quayle.

I mean, I don't even like Obama, but your claims about him (especially as compared to Bush) are just ridiculous.


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22 Feb 2010, 5:07 pm

Gore showed more character growing that beard than he did for most of his time in office. I think that it spoke well of him that he went through with "the people versus the powerful" in the final weeks of his campaign. There's no doubt that this is what drew him even and ahead of Bush. The DLC mob was of course outraged and Lieberman claimed that this cost him the election, that it was his naming the great Lieberman as VP that increased his fortunes. Remember that the media said essentially that Lieberman was chosen because he criticised Clinton over the Lewinsky affair - as if that motivated people to vote for Gore or not vote for Gore. Were people clamouring for a school marm to be Vice-President waving his finger in disapproval of Clinton's sexual practices?



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23 Feb 2010, 2:20 am

Wisguy wrote:
SirLogiC wrote:
I am Australian so I don't really know the exact state of politics in the US but this is something I have observed a fair bit- the Barack Obama bashing, hate or w/e you want to call it.

[snip]


This is virtually no different from the 'left's' endless and seriously hateful bashing of every Republican President that we've had ever since Nixon.

Aside from personal viewpoints and political tactics that I strongly disagree with, BHO cannot seem to utter a coherent sentence without first reading it as pre-written text on a teleprompter (unlike GWB), thus the 'empty suit' thing, and his first in line to succeed him (Vice-President Joe Biden) is a walking gaff-factory.

:roll:

November of 2012 cannot come soon enough.

Sigh....

Mike


as though republican admins did absolutely no wrong, and that democratic admins did nothing right. what rot.
go ahead and vote repub, but remember there will be at least one vote cancelling-out yours.
have a nice day:+)



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23 Feb 2010, 3:05 am

SirLogiC wrote:
I am Australian so I don't really know the exact state of politics in the US but this is something I have observed a fair bit- the Barack Obama bashing, hate or w/e you want to call it.

From what I gather a lot of people are unhappy with the progress he has made however it seems like those people are ignorant that he has tried.

Things like the Guantanamo Bay facility. I think I read he tried to shut it down but there is enough people wanting it to stay that it is making it really complicated.

He can't stop the war in Iraq because there are enough people in the US that think it is just and that the US should be there.

He has tried to introduce a national healthcare system but can't because some people just can't see how free healthcare for the poor can benefit anyone, or that they will lose health benefits (when they can keep their private healthcare anyway). Talk of the cost seems moot to me when the Iraq war is sucking in more money than many countries GNP.

It just seems like a lot of the "good" things he is trying to do he can't because of politics getting in the way. US politics just seems so messed up to me.

So am I seeing this right or are my details wrong? What are your thoughts on this situation?


exactly right, mate. it often takes a pair of dispassionate outsider eyeballs to see america's problems in the proper perspective. being an observer of australian politics, i gather it is not as brain-dead as the american variety.
there are millions of americans who are thoroughly wearied of the political culture battles in this country, and wish they could live in other more civilized lands such as australia, NZ, canada, europe, et al- but because of the strict immigration laws all over, we are stuck here in this miasma of contention. our nation is full to the brim of folk burning with intensity but totally lacking in good will towards anybody who dares to be different from them in philosophy and lifestyle. it seems folk stateside are no longer content to agree to disagree but are attacking one another now over the most petty things. common decency has evaporated in a blast furnace of intolerance and mutual hatred. it is suffocating to the soul and is leading inexorably to an abyss for any kind of hope that this country will survive for much longer, in any decent shape. things cannot keep going on the way they are and end well. a house divided upon itself cannot stand.
pray for us, please- and be glad you are where you are.