Isn't schizoid and avoident personality disorder Autism?

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27 Mar 2014, 7:48 pm

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From what you have described of yourself I think a diagnosis of Schizoid PD would be more accurate.


No I don't think they're the same. Schizoid PD is probably an avoidant attachment style/personality type. Autism is a developmental disability that causes poor social integration. One is choice/circumstance and the other is involuntary/constitutional/congenital.


People with Schizoid PDs know how to socialize and can do so well, but they prefer their own company, and refrain from being social. It doesn't sound like people with autism who have great difficulty with socializing.


Well, I'm not going to argue, but I would note that I, in fact, have difficultly socializing (even when I want to).

I got an ASD DX because my psychologist claimed my manner reminded him of adolescent boys he previously treated with Aspergers, and that I do care about people once you get past my non-labile face.

In any case, the process of diagnosis isn't terribly "scientific," so I'm open to the possibility of other labels may apply, and I appreciate the feedback.

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Descriptions of the schizoid personality as "hidden" behind an outward appearance of emotional engagement have been recognized as far back as 1940 with Fairbairn's description of "schizoid exhibitionism," in which the schizoid individual is able to express a great deal of feeling and to make what appear to be impressive social contacts yet in reality gives nothing and loses nothing. Because he is only "playing a part," his own personality is not involved. According to Fairbairn, "the person disowns the part which he is playing and thus the schizoid individual seeks to preserve his own personality intact and immune from compromise."


Heh. I don't have "impressive social contacts." :D

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Maybe personalities have a biological component to them, but I'd say it's so slight. I would take Schizoid PD out of the DSM, as I think it's a personality that doesn't need to be pathologized. Reading a book about autism, one author says that Schizoid traits can be exhibited by people with Asperger's Syndrome, but there are people with Asperger's who exhibit no traits of Schizoid personalities


I'm sure there are Schizoid individuals who suffer no ill-effects from their disorder, but I'm not one of them.


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27 Mar 2014, 7:50 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Acedia wrote:

From what you have described of yourself I think a diagnosis of Schizoid PD would be more accurate.


This may be why she was considered for a diagnosis, but with a more thorough evaluation autism was deemed more appropriate.

As far as schizoid PD goes, it also presents with impairments that cause serious difficulties in life, which is why it's a diagnosis in the first place. The diagnosis isn't saying "Being a loner is bad" but that a schizoid personality experiences severe difficulties because of their schizoid ways.

As far as etiology goes, at least some people do think schizoid PD has biological elements/causes. Sula Wolff says there are constitutional, probably genetic basis (got the quote from wiki, at least).


Precisely.

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28 Mar 2014, 4:20 am

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I guess I am just dubious about the view of personality disorders being a matter of choice or circumstance. I don't think it's wrong to say that they are a pattern of maladaptive behaviors because they totally are, just that I am skeptical of the way they're explained - usually in a manner that basically blames people for having developed them.


I do somewhat agree, I know someone with a personality disorder, and although I don't find that person similar to me; they do seem to have real problems with impulse control and manic moods. So I do wonder if personality disorders are either mental illnesses affecting personality, or they're inborn.

But then I'm unsure - is mental illness environmental? Could it be abuse that causes it? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-2 ... brain.html

A wikipedia article about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_chil ... al_effects

Possibly both?

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http://www.gnc.gu.se/digitalAssets/1349/1349901_lugneg--rd-personality-disorders-and-autism-.pdf


Interesting.

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Heh. I don't have "impressive social contacts." :D


That's the hidden Schizoid, people with SPD who can hide their true selves and socialize. I mentioned it as an example that people with SPD can socialize to a normal degree, if they choose to.

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I got an ASD DX because my psychologist claimed my manner reminded him of adolescent boys he previously treated with Aspergers, and that I do care about people once you get past my non-labile face.


Well then I was wrong, but I think I read a few of your posts saying the label didn't fit you?

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28 Mar 2014, 4:49 am

I kind of think it's all a big ball of wibbly wobbly inborn and environmental stuff to various degrees. Like depression has a heritable component but it's also relevant to circumstances for many.



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28 Mar 2014, 11:53 am

Acedia wrote:

Well then I was wrong, but I think I read a few of your posts saying the label didn't fit you?



Whether the label of "autism" fits me seems to depend on who you ask.


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