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Do you think that male autistics are "more autistic" than the female ones?
yes 21%  21%  [ 22 ]
yes 21%  21%  [ 22 ]
no 29%  29%  [ 31 ]
no 29%  29%  [ 31 ]
Total votes : 106

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02 Apr 2006, 8:31 pm

In general, I think males will tend to have more severe manifestations of autism than females. Autism is heavily skewed towards males. This means that, in a sample of men and a sample of women, the male sample will be "more autistic" than the female one.



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02 Apr 2006, 9:40 pm

Is it possible that Autism is simply too much "maleness"? You know; rigid thinking, hyperfocused, into self. (not judging, just asking)


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02 Apr 2006, 9:56 pm

Bland wrote:
Is it possible that Autism is simply too much "maleness"? You know; rigid thinking, hyperfocused, into self. (not judging, just asking)


I actually read in a book by Barbara and Allan Pease called the Essential Difference (I think) that there was a theory about autism being the extreme male brain, so I think you've raised a good point. That book also had tests in it that you could take: the empathy quotient (which women generally score higher in and I scored a bit lower than the average woman but not by much), the systematizing quotient (which men generally score higher in and I scored what the average male would roughly) and the Autism quotient and I got a score which suggested that I could probably have Asperger's Syndrome, quelle surpris? Its a good book as it outlines differences between men and women although I'm unsure on the whole autism male brain thing, I'm still deciding on that one.



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02 Apr 2006, 10:03 pm

People believe people that have a form of autism are autistic or aspie, as if they were there label and all are alike, this or that way in personality, it's false.

Symtomotological similarities only.



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02 Apr 2006, 10:16 pm

Very true. My 12 year old AS son is much different than the other boys with AS in his school and different from me by far at that age, even though we were like peas in a pod when very young.
The variety on this forum is something to consider!


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02 Apr 2006, 10:30 pm

The way the old books told it was that there were more male autistics than females, but females tended to be "more severely neurologically impaired" or something like that than males when females were autistic.

Now people are saying that female autistics don't always show up the same way as males, etc, so a lot simply are not diagnosed, or that females are "milder" and thus go undiagnosed.

Since I personally have trouble with a linear "degree" of autism in the first place, I voted no.


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02 Apr 2006, 10:49 pm

There is a difference between, he/she is autistic and he/she has autistic disorder. One assumes the identity of the label, the other not.

Some people find it offensive to be refered to as a label, such as he or she is autistic and I am autistic, sort of that context.



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02 Apr 2006, 10:55 pm

And many people are offended or simply perplexed by "people with autism", so a lot of us just use whatever version comes out when it comes out given that a lot of us have enough trouble with language already. Personally I don't believe in DSM-style "autistic disorder" "Asperger disorder" etc labels so I'd never write that except when quoting a diagnostic manual or something. If I have to name them separately, I'd say autism or Asperger's, rather than acting like the DSM dictates what to call us. And the idea of any of these being things a person can "have" doesn't even make sense, so a lot of people don't use that terminology either.

Calling someone "autistic" is only bad if autism is somehow worse than, say, being female, where we get to be called a "woman" without fear of someone saying we're being "labeled". I will become strictly a "person with autism" on the same day I become strictly a "person with womanhood", and I hope we never sink so low as to get that afraid of what we are.


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02 Apr 2006, 11:23 pm

I think males are more likely to have it serverly than females.



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02 Apr 2006, 11:27 pm

Females are more emotionally aware, whereas males are trained to be like psycho-paths who hide feelings because of peer pressure.

Other then that I am not sure.



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02 Apr 2006, 11:51 pm

Yes, i'm pretty sure there are more males.
I go to a school for people with authism.
My teacher told me that roughly 8/9 people with authism are males.
My group statistics confirmed that.

I'm currently in a group of 9 people and have been there for 1 year and 5 months.
When i first arrived all 9 out of 9 people were males.
At this moment 7 out of 9 people are males and 2 females.

But than again that might be a thing that's only like that in the Netherlands.



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03 Apr 2006, 3:12 am

Bland wrote:
Is it possible that Autism is simply too much "maleness"? You know; rigid thinking, hyperfocused, into self. (not judging, just asking)


In some cases but not all...


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03 Apr 2006, 5:36 am

My sister is on disability for Bipolar/Anorexia/Asperger's
I am working as a programmer on Bipolar and suggested by a doctor (but not diagnosed) Asperger's

I read somewhere that females who can't read emotions are treated as children.
I suppose males with mood swings/reading situation problems get arrested by the police more as questioning become read as aggressive more easily than in females. (I have been arested twice in my late teens early thirtys drunk and disorderly, drunk and incapable, my Bipolar brother has been arrested more often(?) and later in life.) I have not passed Asperger's by him, his current medical labels are Bipolar/Cron's disease.

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03 Apr 2006, 11:13 am

I think the autistic traits are even more noticeable in women because they are expected to be more social while on the other hand men are expected to be more serious.


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03 Apr 2006, 1:35 pm

Bart21 wrote:
Yes, i'm pretty sure there are more males.
I go to a school for people with authism.
My teacher told me that roughly 8/9 people with authism are males.
My group statistics confirmed that.

I'm currently in a group of 9 people and have been there for 1 year and 5 months.
When i first arrived all 9 out of 9 people were males.
At this moment 7 out of 9 people are males and 2 females.

But than again that might be a thing that's only like that in the Netherlands.


EASY EASY ! !! u didn' t get my question .....it s known that autistics males are more numerous than female autistics (maybe an autism gene is on the X chromosome)
I AM NOT ASKING abt number ratio Females:Males but I asking that if we take 2 persons one female and one male on the same level of sepectrum ...does in "general" the male shows more severe autism traits that the female one?



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03 Apr 2006, 2:36 pm

How do you determine whether a male and a female have the "same level" of autism, if one is showing "more severe" autism than the other? (And what defines "more severe" and "same level" and so forth to begin with. I'd think that if one were "more severe" than another they wouldn't be at the "same level", if such a thing existed, but I could be missing something.)

I've heard two things officially, from people who believe in severity.

One is that females have "more severe" presentation when they are autistic.

The other is that females have more social adaptation or something and therefore present as "less severe" (or just different than the diagonstic criteria) and go undiagnosed.


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