Let's be honest with ourselves

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I dunno about that. Every once in a while it's kinda fun to rant at idiotic trolls about why they're idiots. I don't vent my spleen very often. It usually requires someone making a point of being very stupid and very obnoxious.

Still, I suppose I shouldn't encourage these things. Bad troll! *hits with newspaper*... If he's even still here. Probably disappeared in a puff of smoke.

Honestly? If you're not looking to have children, but you are friends with an AS guy that you really like anyway, none of this matters.

I'm actively plotting to get back a guy who is--for the last month--with a girl shallow enough that I know she'll dump him when she finds out he really does have AS...

and he will be mine again.

Wahahah.

Would I have children with him, particularly because I think one of his grandmothers was AS--which is the marker for full-blown autism in the grandkids?

No. But then, I'm 40, so it's not like I was counting on going there anyway.

I would do anything to be with this man, just because of who he is. His AS is irrelevant.

Translation:
Another bitter guy who got dumped and blames it on having aspergers.

Correction: Blaming it on the Asperger's that he's not even sure he has.

But much more likely... He just thought he'd have some fun with the autisitc people. I think we all went through this in eighth grade. I recognize it as harassment and I'm not posting to this thread again.

Die thread, die.

Aw, come on though, it's such fun to pick on the stupid trolls when they obviously have no idea what they're talking about though! It's 10 times as satisfying as trolling people, and funny because they think they can get your goat, when really you're just out-and-out laughing at them! xD

I'll ignore stupid trolls when there are too many to make laughing at them fun anymore, which is essentially two or three. I haven't seen a troll on here since I registered, aside from this one.

Interesting though. This behavior is unusual for me. I guess it's just that long pent up want of someone to completely and totally trash-talk and laugh at without feeling bad about it. It's been.... Actually, I don't think I've ever laughed at someone like that without caring about them and feeling bad about it before, at least not since early elementary, when my social skills didn't really extend to the realm of empathy. Huh....

First of all I want to stress that what I answered to in this poll, was the question about being honest.
I answered 'Yes', because I do want to be honest, so to the question "Do you agree? Be honest", I had to answer 'Yes'.

But I'm not sure if I understood OPs (and poll-creator's) post.

Did you ask us if we think that most women avoid aspies and avoid marrying and have children with aspies?

If that was your question, then my asnwer is Yes!, I have noticed that most women (read: NTs) do avoid aspies. It's not really a question about wether or not we think they do this, as much as a question about wether we notice it or not. It's simply a fact that they do (and no place do they avoid us more than in my country).

But I don't think it has anything to do with aspies having bad genes or even about us being less worthy or capable than other people. It's a cultural thing, and even more so: It's a post-cultural thing!


So to put it short: Yes, you're right. Women to tend to avoid aspies, but it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with you! It only means there is a lot wrong with the still more and more narrow and superficial way that people in our time think. Everything revolves around how we look and how well we can pull off looking like the smart celebrities we see on tv, not to mention how well we can live up to the superficially induced demands to fashion, lifestyle, level of income, etc. etc. - superficially induced, because these "needs" aren't generated by the natural needs of women and men respectively, but by cleverly thought up advertising (read: propaganda)!

If you read through the history - and pre-historical times - of the human race throughout the planet, you will find that in any other period than our own were those, who we now define as people with Asperger's Syndrome, the higest respected, the most loved, and the most admired and sought after by the opposite sex!

So, again, yes: Women do avoid aspies ... in OUR time! But it tells more about them and the time we live in, than it says about those who have Asperger's Syndrome!


- There is no such thing as having Half Asperger's Syndrome or being Half and Aspie, just as little as there is such a thing as being half a man, being half a human being, or reading these words half. You either are, or you are not, and you either read these lines or you do - or did - not!(1*) There are differences in how much certain aspects are present in you, but they're fully present no matter how much they represent Asperger's traits or NT traits.

Don't be sad about having Asperger's Syndrome, friend! ... Be proud of who and what you are!


(1*) = The "Schroedinger's Cat" Experiement describes beautifully how absolutes are illusion, but attempts to measure human experience in regard to daily living and perception is by very definition higly un-practical.

Wow, you're so cool and edgy!

You said it!

(Should've read through the thread before I replied. ... Ah well, maybe someone else can benefit)

Rolling on next week.

Sugarcode! I love it!

Asperger's is probably the least of the reasons why women don't want me messing in their 'genepools'

So based on what I learned from this topic...

- Only males have AS. There is no such thing as females with AS.
- Genes with Aspie traits are damaged genes. Therefore we should filter out Aspie genes.
- A woman wouldn't disrespect herself to pass on genes with an Aspie.
- Most women think most Aspies are weird and ugly, because having AS makes you ugly.
- Aspies operate on gut feelings from thousands of years ago. Thus they won't make it in the future.
- The term Ass-Burgers is an acceptable term to call Aspies by and is not in anyway an insult.
- The human race would cease to exist if only Aspies existed. Only "normal" people keep the human race going.
- Having Asperger's... Ass-Burgers mean you won't any self-respecting attractive girl.
- Life is all about getting married and mating. Failure to do so is a failure at life itself.
- Aspies can't work together. This site is secretly held up by NTs.

Thanks mikeness101, I never learned so much insight from one person on AS before. My life has finally become so clear.

Ever heard of adoption? I mean, seriously, you can have kids without having your own, y'know. If you're that worried about having disabled children, adoption is a good option (afterall, there are loads of kids who need a home).

I was really talking about women not choosing to go out with aspies because they're "really weird". That's shallow. Love- real love- is unconditional, just like how any good parent would still love their child even if they had to clean up their feces and may not ever be able to be independent.

And for goodness sake, could you PLEASE learn how to spell "Asperger's". Hans Asperger was a real person, y'know.

excuse me?

first of all i think you're misunderstanding asperger syndrome entirely:

-you mentioned that girls think AS kids are ugly and wierd when AS genes have absolutely nothing to do with appearence whatsoever. about 1 in 100 people has AS, you probably seen lots and LOTs of people with AS before and not noticed. further proof of this.

-you said AS people have "average inteligence levels" but are useless at everything else. now its known that people with AS often have ABOVE average IQ, and "ret*d at everything else" isnt what i'd say, its mostly trouble understanding social things like eye contact, body language (eveybody and their mums know that on here) not much else, and this comes along with some pretty sweet side effects like added levels of attention span, active imaginations, and innovative ideas that would never occur to people bound by so called "common sense". its not just a curse.

-AS in my oppinion shouldnt even be classed as a disability, and if it is then its not something that a girl would outcast a person for. they just probably see you as wierd (most people dont even know what the hell it is, and you just need to explain to them that it is NOT a disability)

-you also mentioned that a girl with self respect would never harbor the child of "someone with a disbility". if as you say "wouldn't 'ruin' their genetic lineage" then from whence do disabled children come from?

you might be outcasted, but thats your problem not mine. you dont speak for anyone else other than yourself when you wallow in tonnes of self pity. im not trying to insult you, but dont insult my condition by slandering it with BS. im not "sugar coating" anything, im done with thinking i have a "disability" just because the self proclaimed "normal man" says so, and i suggest you wise up soon before you trap yourself in an imaginary dilema.

Have a nice life.

A well rounded problem analysis is to consider both the negative outcomes and the positive outcomes.

If you would like to expect the worst, that's fine as long as you don't let it hinder your drive to be successful in the first place.

Honestly? I've dated two Aspies. One could barely hold down a job and had no idea that his family expected him to be giving me more than a teddy bear at Christmas--and had no idea about things like the symbolism involved in intentionally buying a really cheap wedding ring.

Him, when I figured it out after a year, I dropped like a hot potato, and told my friends that I would NEVER date another Aspie, complete with saying, "What a weirdo."

The second is so socially adept that he taught me to stand in other's shoes much more, to be much less selfish, and to really think about what I say.

But, he was still a wash. He's currently dating one of his obsessions after torturing me for years about her. (She treated him like Dobby the House Elf for years. All of our mutual friends are hoping she dumps him badly, because she uses him and he can't see it.)

And, he's a waste in a romantic relationship, though, because he's not really aware of what normal behavior is in an attached, NT relationship--and he won't get counseling. (He used to get mad about my calling after work hours to tell him I cared, and said I was weird for saying it took years to find him--it made him feel too indebted.)

Knowing what I know now, I would never date another Aspie male, unless I just thought he was really neat, and I KNEW that he had spent a couple of years in counseling to be in a relationship with an NT female.

So, there is a lot of truth to this. Find me an Aspie that would really treat me decently, and I might change my mind. It hasn't happened yet, though. When I evaluate potential new dating partners, the minute I see bad eye contact, I run screaming.

Mikeness, take your rude and ignorant attitude elsewhere please.

You can be both REALISTIC and OPTIMISTIC. I accept that there are things I'm not good at and there is some stuff I can't do, but at the same time, I'm not going to curl up in a fetal position and be a victim and never make a life for myself. We have strengths as well as weaknesses, ya know. I'm up in the stratosphere in verbal intelligence. I'm studying for a f*****g natural sciences degree. Oh, and I have had my fair share of boyfriends (I'm female. Weird, androgynous, ASDish, but apparently still attractive to men.)

Just because YOU have a certain opinion doesn't mean your opinion is a fact and anyone who disagrees with you is kidding themselves.