The police and their dealings with the autistic spectrum

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06 Jul 2010, 2:31 am

I watched this show today were they showed several cops taking advantage of people with learning disabilities, Autistic spectrum people, mentally slow people, and the metally ill getting them to sign false confessions to crimes they did not comit. One guy actually signed a blank piece of paper! They would crowd and harrass people with disabilities scaring the s**t out of them not telling them about lawyers or mental health people that could help them or at least tell them not to sign or say anything. Here in Buffalo they pinned a rape case on scitzophric man who they tricked into confessiong to a crime he did not do. Another case where they pinned a murder case of a 13 year old girl on the mother hiding evidence. He guy was awarded 5 million dollars in lawsuit. This stuff scares the hell out of me. Does anyone else have any instances from their cities, states, or countries where this has happened.



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06 Jul 2010, 3:07 am

ya police dont usually like us aspies, they tend to not like minorities either. alot of them are bigots but thats just life. luckily there are smart judges and lawyers who wont buy their s**t



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06 Jul 2010, 3:17 am

People with Mental illness, learning disabilities, or other neurological disorders get taken advantage of in so many horrific ways it's terrifying. It's the reason I wish we lived in a separate city or country away from NTs and they're culture and society. Sure we aren't all angels but NTs out number us and force they're opinions on us and never show sympathy. If neurodiversity existed in todays culture we wouldn't have it so bad, and when an NT tries to tell you life is just as difficult as ours is for every human being on the planet they are only proving their ignorance. I have heard so many, and seen so many disabled, and neurologically "different" people get abused by NTs, the government, the police, doctors, and school system it makes me so sad to know that people can be that ignorant and uncaring. this is something I watched this on youtube recently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od474grHy00 but in my life time I've heard and read hundreds of stories and some even more frighting than this one.



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06 Jul 2010, 4:48 am

trojan51 wrote:
ya police dont usually like us aspies


If you ever do get arrested, it might be helpful to ask to see the police doctor (especially if you have been assessed as having any special needs, or take regular medication) and to ask at the start of any interview, so that your condition goes on tape. Firstly, it might modify their behaviour and make them more wary. Secondly, it gives you some comeback if they do mistreat you when they knew your needs from the outset.

You could even carry an Autism Alert Card like this one http://www.autism.org.uk/About-autism/A ... glish.aspx that gives police and other first responders specific advice on handling people with autistic traits.



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06 Jul 2010, 5:09 am

what a shame. :roll: stupid evil nt's



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06 Jul 2010, 5:22 am

I there a link to this show? Ide like to watch it

And yes I think police do often treat people with disabilities unfairly, and i think much of it comes from the stereotypes that exist within society's mind.

I remember I used to go to school with a guy who had Down's Syndrome, And during lunch once I heard two people talking about him. here is the convo i heard.

"Murray has Down's Syndrome"

"Doesent that mean hes a Pervert?"

"Yeah I know!, Why is he able to go to school if hes likely to rape someone"

And to think, NT's think WE are the stupid ones.



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06 Jul 2010, 5:31 am

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"Murray has Down's Syndrome"

"Doesent that mean hes a Pervert?"

"Yeah I know!, Why is he able to go to school if hes likely to rape someone"

And to think, NT's think WE are the stupid ones.


That's awful. There was a really tragic case in the UK (I think) where a paediatrician got beaten to death because his stupid attackers thought he was a paedophile.

As for police dealing with autistic people, they just don't know how. Once in my old accomodation, the police were called on me because I trashed a room in anger. Okay I know now it was wrong. The two policemen screamed at me becuase I wouldn't come out from under my desk. I was speaking to my dad on the phone because I couldn't figure out what was going wrong and they hung up the phone. It was like being bullied. They just kept talking and talking and talking. I kept swearing (Tourettes) and they told me if I carried on (I told them I had TS) that I would get arrested. When they eventually finished blabbing on about whatever it was they were blabbing about (if they had understood my conditions they would have spoke slowly and clearly) they asked me if I understood what they said. I honestly said, 'no' but the policeman said, 'you understand us really, you're just faking it'.

So yes, I do think police treat people with LD, ASD and other conditions badly.


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06 Jul 2010, 5:38 am

Jellybean wrote:
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"Murray has Down's Syndrome"

"Doesent that mean hes a Pervert?"

"Yeah I know!, Why is he able to go to school if hes likely to rape someone"

And to think, NT's think WE are the stupid ones.


That's awful. There was a really tragic case in the UK (I think) where a paediatrician got beaten to death because his stupid attackers thought he was a paedophile.

As for police dealing with autistic people, they just don't know how. Once in my old accomodation, the police were called on me because I trashed a room in anger. Okay I know now it was wrong. The two policemen screamed at me becuase I wouldn't come out from under my desk. I was speaking to my dad on the phone because I couldn't figure out what was going wrong and they hung up the phone. It was like being bullied. They just kept talking and talking and talking. I kept swearing (Tourettes) and they told me if I carried on (I told them I had TS) that I would get arrested. When they eventually finished blabbing on about whatever it was they were blabbing about (if they had understood my conditions they would have spoke slowly and clearly) they asked me if I understood what they said. I honestly said, 'no' but the policeman said, 'you understand us really, you're just faking it'.

So yes, I do think police treat people with LD, ASD and other conditions badly.


Yes I heard about the Pedeatrician, he got attacked by a mob after some idiots misherd him when he said 'im a pedeatrician'.

what happened to you was discriminating since, if a person without Tourette's had made a mess of his room then the police would not have been called.



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06 Jul 2010, 5:53 am

I know firsthand of one lady who called the cops over domestic violence and the cops did not believe her because she had some prior 5150s. Her boyfriend said she is crazy and did it to herself, so instead of arresting him like the cops normally do in that situation, the cops had her committed instead.


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06 Jul 2010, 6:23 am

Angel_ryan wrote:
People with Mental illness, learning disabilities, or other neurological disorders get taken advantage of in so many horrific ways it's terrifying. It's the reason I wish we lived in a separate city or country away from NTs and they're culture and society. Sure we aren't all angels but NTs out number us and force they're opinions on us and never show sympathy. If neurodiversity existed in todays culture we wouldn't have it so bad, and when an NT tries to tell you life is just as difficult as ours is for every human being on the planet they are only proving their ignorance. I have heard so many, and seen so many disabled, and neurologically "different" people get abused by NTs, the government, the police, doctors, and school system it makes me so sad to know that people can be that ignorant and uncaring. this is something I watched this on youtube recently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od474grHy00 but in my life time I've heard and read hundreds of stories and some even more frighting than this one.


That's so sad and true,
Wish there was a place for the autistics to grow and develop without the constant harassments,abuses ,etc...
A place away from the clearly dishonest way we are judged by the NT,
I spent most of my life running away and hiding from what is considered normal people or NT's and learned the hard way that most of the times AS are much more trustworthy,accepting, tolerant and creative toward their environment and wonder many times what my life could be if i could live in a land of autistics ppl like me/
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Every time i see a police car my reflex is to look for my ID because i'm so used to them stopping and searching me,
Guess it's because like many AS i always look kind of out of place,
Used to feel bad about it but i must say that i learned to expect nothing from NT's
not in the work place,not from my family,and not in the streets/



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06 Jul 2010, 9:09 am

Leekduck wrote:
I there a link to this show? Ide like to watch it


I could not find a link to the show but here are some links to the Anthony Capozzi case where he was accused of being the bike path rapist.

http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/17237969.html

http://www.wkbw.com/news/97478794.html



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06 Jul 2010, 9:28 am

As someone who has trained for law enforcement, I make this observation.

Cops are trained to disregard an individual's rights on a routine basis. Is someone is dimwitted, uneducated, etc. in that they could be pressured or tricked into a confession, they are to do that. The sticky part is that if they know someone has mental retardation, the cops should know that anything they get might be thrown out because someone sufficiently impaired might be seen as deserving of assistance. For example, cops are not supposed to interrogate a minor without an adult guardian present or at least being notified that the child is in custody.

They do this to everyone...not just Autistic people.



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06 Jul 2010, 9:30 am

Whenever I have any contact with police, whether it be getting pulled over for a burned out tail light, or if I need to file a report at the sheriff's office, etc etc., I feel very much dis-believed, and I feel like any second they're going to arrest me for lying or doing something I'm not doing. On Easter Sunday, my wife and I got pulled over by the Ventura County, CA sheriff, and the only reason for stopping us was "looking suspicious". The sheriff car actually screeched its brakes to make a U-turn on the highway to catch us, as if we were bank robbers. They held us there for nearly an hour, asking me over & over "were you ever arrested? Are you telling the truth? Why are you out here on the road today? Then they'd go back and get on the computer, and come back with more trick questions. Finally, since in fact I hadn't done anything wrong, I got a ticket for having the wrong color of glass in the car windows. Last year, I got pulled over in Malibu, CA for a burned out 3rd brake light, and the Los Angeles County sheriff demanded to know exactly what all I had in a box in the back of my truck. It was a bunch of old 3/4" Star Trek videotapes (the big kind of cassettes that TV studios used in in the 1970s & 80s). He asked if it was child porn, as I look like a molester-type. He said if I didn't answer him, he could seize and crush my truck and bill me $250,000 for environmental fees.

I blame and shame all law enforcement for behaving like that, but on the other hand, anyone I discuss this with, says I "do look like I just did something illegal, or I'm stoned and trying to hide it".

Now I have a MedicAlert bracelet that says I have "High Functioning Autism; may appear as guilty demeanor" . We'll see what happens next time. I've had it for a month or so, and haven't been pulled over yet.

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06 Jul 2010, 10:51 am

...all of which is why the Courts must remain vigilant.

When everyone complains about the accused who is acquitted on a, "technicality," spare a thought for the wrongfully convicted, and those who are the subject of police misconduct in investigations. Those "technicalities" are there to ensure that the State gets to exercise its power only in circumstances in which it can prove, after a fair process and beyond a reasonable doubt, the guilt of the accused.


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06 Jul 2010, 1:20 pm

I was once a witness to a policeman being assaulted. At the station they filled in a form that I was supposed to fill in, it was just general information about me but they used one word questions like "height", "weight" etc and I'd answer 5'10", 65 kilos etc but then they asked "Eyes" and I said "yes" he asked again and said "colour", I said I didn't know (I still don't know what colour they are). There then began a 5 minute lecture on not taking the p*ss out of the police. They then wrote out a witness statement which said the policeman was being beaten and I had to help restrain 2 of the attackers, completely false but I signed it anyway just so that I could go home.



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06 Jul 2010, 4:54 pm

nara44 wrote:
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Every time i see a police car my reflex is to look for my ID because i'm so used to them stopping and searching me,
Guess it's because like many AS i always look kind of out of place,
Used to feel bad about it but i must say that i learned to expect nothing from NT's
not in the work place,not from my family,and not in the streets/


That happens to me too I have a clumsy walk and sometimes look spaced out, or slur because of speech difficulty and people think I'm on drugs all the time when clearly I'm not. So when I see a police officer I get a little freaked out. I've also been treated extremely bad at work for my impairments, and disowned by my family as being lazy.