Using Aspergers as a crutch or excuse ??

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30 Jan 2012, 5:09 am

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You know what I wonder? I wonder how many of you also have Morgellon's, Fibromyalgia, or something along those lines.

How about severe sensory processing issues especially severe light sensitivity which means I have to wear dark sunglasses every time I go outside so I don't end up with a migraine? Or how about photosensitive epilepsy, migraine seizure and temporal lobe epilepsy? Or hypoglycaemia? If I don't bring that up I will probably faint. Or a fear of change and preseveration? That means I like to stick at the same task for long periods of time and it's hard to break out.

I know a lot of people that gets called lazy for their executive dysfunctional issues. Although I have the same I try my best to not let them overtake me so I try to stay organised.

Fact is when people try to guess why I have certain behaviour (shy, obsessed, rude) but are wrong I have this feeling that makes me want to correct them because I rather them know the truth. The way I do this is to bring up autism in general though, not bring it up every time someone criticises my actions. Doing it this way makes them know I'm autistic and it's up to them how they judge my behaviour.
As much as I want to tell them I'm autistic every time they criticise me I haven't got the guts. Maybe because I know they'll probably react like you.

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And I think people who go in a thread and post a reply and not want to bother going back to it are cowards. They know their opinion would be not liked or be unpopular or cause a drama so they do a post and run. But hey I take their thoughts less seriously when they do this.

Just what I was going to say.


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30 Jan 2012, 5:16 am

Just ignore them. They are obviously a nt troll that joined just to make one post to troll us (their profile says they are nt). Why answer someone that isn't coming back?

It's not "making excuses" if it's true. That's like if someone is in a wheelchair and can't walk and you tell them that they are just "making excuses" as to why they won't go upstairs.

Some people just don't believe in mental illnesses or in any physical problems that aren't completely obvious. If people could just get over it and do anything there wouldn't even be a psychiatric profession.

While it can be nice to be encouraging repeatedly telling people they can do things they can't do doesn't benefit anyone.



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30 Jan 2012, 5:26 am

hanyo wrote:
Why answer someone that isn't coming back?

They might still be lurking. People lie.


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30 Jan 2012, 1:12 pm

People who're blind are such self-defeating, surrender monkeys when they say they can't see and fail at everything involving normal eyesight without aids.



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30 Jan 2012, 8:25 pm

So their are other reasons why I feel so bored and stupid in the company of people?


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31 Jan 2012, 5:48 am

I've been criticized for using asperger as an excuse for "bad" behavior. I don't know... Now that I know about asperger, I have more confidence in myself and don't listen as much to other people's social rules. So yes, having as helped me understand I don't have to do things that are too stressful for me. So you might say I use it as an excuse



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31 Jan 2012, 6:03 am

JoeBloke wrote:
You know what I wonder? I wonder how many of you also have Morgellon's, Fibromyalgia, or something along those lines.

I have trouble interacting with others, concentrating, focussing, etc., but I think if someone were to try to apply some sort of "label" to me that I would reject it -- opting instead to NOT accept limitations and instead choosing to excel in all I do.

But you all just go ahead and keep telling yourself you "can't", ok? And go on ahead and accept "failure" (whatever that may mean to you) -- just don't get angry when others recognize that and start to expect less and less of you since that's what YOU are doing.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, I suppose. I'm just sick of seeing people claiming some (potentially fabricated) diagnosis as some sort of excuse for laziness, sloth, lack of discipline, etc. It gets very, very old after a while.

Don't bother replying as I won't be checking back in here...I just want my opinions heard because I am tired of reading crap like this and it is time someone gave you a wake-up call. (I told you I have trouble interacting with others, didn't I? :( )


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31 Jan 2012, 6:07 am

^^^ LMAO! :lmao:



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31 Jan 2012, 6:10 am

Words are not cooperative. I am left with nothing but gifs.



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31 Jan 2012, 6:19 am

Verdandi wrote:
Words are not cooperative. I am left with nothing but gifs.

An elegant answer, nonetheless. Words could not make up such an apt reply.



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31 Jan 2012, 7:37 am

Well, I've missed quite a bit.... Ahem.

I believe that Autism and AS are legitimate excuses to consistent failure if the Aspie is not aware that he had failed his assigned task until it is too late - and yet is unable to learn from his mistakes, thereby repeating them.

Or conversely, that if the assigned task is beyond the physical or cognitive capacity of the Aspie, guaranteeing him failure.

What's interesting about these ideas is that they're coming close to the general definition of 'a disability'.



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31 Jan 2012, 11:54 am

WhiteRaven_214 wrote:
Well, I've missed quite a bit.... Ahem.

I believe that Autism and AS are legitimate excuses to consistent failure if the Aspie is not aware that he had failed his assigned task until it is too late - and yet is unable to learn from his mistakes, thereby repeating them.

Or conversely, that if the assigned task is beyond the physical or cognitive capacity of the Aspie, guaranteeing him failure.

What's interesting about these ideas is that they're coming close to the general definition of 'a disability'.


I disagree with most of this, AS is not an excuse for anything. Some leeway and understanding in the most difficult situations, but not an excuse. There is no guarantee of failure and there is always the capability to learn from mistakes and experiences.

Physical or cognitive impairments are not a characteristic of AS.

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31 Jan 2012, 12:01 pm

Was JoeBloke was trying to imply we don't have a physical disability? I have one, and I have a hard time convincing people my sensory issues are a lot bigger (in fact, I think only able-bodied people are bothered by the fact I have a disability, I literally don't understand what makes it such a big deal to everyone).


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31 Jan 2012, 12:02 pm

Saying that you can't use your disability as an "excuse" is like saying disabled people aren't really disabled, they just need to try harder. Some people can't do some things no matter how hard they try.



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31 Jan 2012, 12:04 pm

Jtuk wrote:
WhiteRaven_214 wrote:
Well, I've missed quite a bit.... Ahem.

I believe that Autism and AS are legitimate excuses to consistent failure if the Aspie is not aware that he had failed his assigned task until it is too late - and yet is unable to learn from his mistakes, thereby repeating them.

Or conversely, that if the assigned task is beyond the physical or cognitive capacity of the Aspie, guaranteeing him failure.

What's interesting about these ideas is that they're coming close to the general definition of 'a disability'.


I disagree with most of this, AS is not an excuse for anything. Some leeway and understanding in the most difficult situations, but not an excuse. There is no guarantee of failure and there is always the capability to learn from mistakes and experiences.

Physical or cognitive impairments are not a characteristic of AS.


Jason


The definition of AS is that it's a form of cognitive impairment. If there were no impairments, there would be no AS.

Some of those cognitive impairments have physical repercussions as well.



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31 Jan 2012, 12:22 pm

Anyone who uses AS as an excuse is taking the easy way out in my opinion .Most goals are still attainable but with the knowledge that you have AS you have to approach them in a way that will utilize your unique strengths and weaknesses that come with having AS.. For example an aspie male trying to meet a woman by going to bars/nightclubs is usually putting themselves at a big disadvantage when you combine many of the inherent factors that go with AS such as sensory issues and the anxiety that comes with being in that kind of setting.