Differences between mild Aspergers and severe Autism?

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10 Feb 2011, 1:12 pm

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To be perfectly honest, the paragraph views autism as a group of traits you show, rather than as a way of thinking, making it way off. But never mind.

Your theory that you're feeling bad because you're confused is interesting. I suppose this is confusing...


Well each time I hear a NT say something what I expect more from an Aspie, it makes me think, ''huh???''

Like the other day at work one of the NTs there said, ''I cut all my tags out of my clothes because I can't stand the itching they sometimes cause me.''

And once I read in the paper that people who are unemployed need some sort of ritual or activity to do, because they can become Agoraphobic. And this wasn't referring to Aspie people - it was referring to anyone in general. I also thought, ''huh?''


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10 Feb 2011, 6:36 pm

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I'm NOT saying that NTs exhibit symptoms in a way we do. I found this little quote what somebody else had wrote on an unrelated thread to this, but it does fit in with what I'm trying to say (although what I'm trying to say may not match the title of this thread.) Here goes:-

ASD traits are not traits unique to only ASD individuals. They are human traits, often taken to an extreme, that when grouped together in one individual usually indicates an ASD. NTs may stim, feel anxiety in social situations, have black and white thinking, be literal thinkers, have narrow focused interests, have language delays, etc. NTs may grow out of their traits, or may continue to exhibit them throughout their life. The main difference is that NTs dont exhibit all or most of the traits concurrently like autistics do, and often not to the same degree.

That has made me feel better about AS. I have seen people who are not on the spectrum exhibit Aspie traits, even though they are 100% NT. It confuses me too. It makes me so confused that I'm beginning to wonder that this confusion is causing me to hate being me so much. It is all caused by confusion.

That's a good quote and I completely agree.
I think autism is only a different way of thinking because of the severity of these traits.
People say that autism is hardwired and cannot be changed. Wrong. It's just much more difficult to change. Hardwired is a very old term used to describe an adult brain. We have since learnt that the brain is plastic and changes every time it experiences or learns something.


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16 Feb 2011, 3:24 pm

I've just learnt another thing about what I've been saying about. I don't really know if it's right or not, but I'm not bothered about right or wrong answers here - I'm more bothered about the things I experience in other people on the spectrum:-

I thought I had never met another Aspie woman before - until just yesterday, at work. A 50 year old woman had joined at the beginning of last summer, so she's been working there for about 8 months now. And I had to help the manager sort out some of the applications what were from everyone in the past year who had applied for volunteer or paid work there, and the manager wanted me to put the applications in alphabetical order by the names of the applicants. When I came to this woman's application, I saw that she had written ''Asperger's Syndrome'' in the mental health box. I was so surprised. I knew she had a few social difficulties (you could actually see that a mile off), but I never guessed it was AS because she always talks constantly and expresses her feelings and she's not bothered at all what people think of her, (whereas I'm more shy and sensitive and placid, and I worry too much of what other people think of me, therefore I don't tend to have the right confidence to step forwards and express my opinions much, although I don't find it hard to express my feelings either but I express them in a different way to how she does). She has issues with loud noises, and has always had very big difficulties with friends and relationships, even though she's chatty and friendly.
So my point is, I see what you are saying about everyone on the spectrum are different, just like NTs are from eachother. She's not at all like me, but she's got AS, just like me (I don't know what other disability she might have). I understand how she sees things and the difficulties she faces, and I know that whatever she says wrong or does wrong isn't nasty or intentional. But, she may be a completely different person to me in personality-wise, emotional-wise, and everything else related to your individual needs, but we're still on the same developmental......social.......level......I really cannot explain what I mean. She's different and is more chatty than I am, and I'm more shy and sensitive than she is, but we both still seem to meet in the middle.....do you get what I am saying? I probably haven't explained it properly, and somebody is still probably going to take it the wrong way and think I'm on to something else, but I know what I'm on about, and I've explained it as clearly as I can.


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16 Feb 2011, 4:05 pm

What you said appears to make sense to me.

You're talking about having met another woman who has Asperger's Syndrome and seen how her functioning varies from yours in particular ways, that you're not expressing the same symptoms in the same way?

I don't see anything wrong with that. :)



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16 Feb 2011, 5:03 pm

pensieve wrote:
People say that autism is hardwired and cannot be changed. Wrong. It's just much more difficult to change. Hardwired is a very old term used to describe an adult brain. We have since learnt that the brain is plastic and changes every time it experiences or learns something.


If autism is indeed an issue with hyperplasticity, higher than normal short range neuron connectivity and lower than normal long (inter-region) connectivity as recent research suggests, then any new neuronal pathways coming from experiences and learning will simply result in more pathways with the same underlying atypical connectivity. I think flatly stating "wrong" is way oversimplifying the situation. The autistic brain may not be any more hardwired than an NT brain, but even as it rewires itself, it rewires itself differently.


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17 Feb 2011, 10:20 am

@anubuend

I mean this with all seriousness.
I really learned a lot from your posts.
Thank you for sharing your ideas.

I have noticed that the difference between non-verbal and verbal means a lot to others.
Also how independent one is (as in how much assistance one needs) means a lot to others.

For example, due to my sheer ignorance, I never would have guessed some of the struggles that some autistic people deal with.
I have been labeled as aspergers now (I'm thirty-eight) but when I was a child I would labeled as "more autistic" except it the early 80s and I was quite verbal and learned to read at an early age.



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29 Jun 2011, 1:02 pm

Callista wrote:
1. Most "severely autistic" children learn enough that they are generally called "moderate" or "mild" as adults.
You're right there! I was diagnosed as severely autistic when I was younger, but now I think it's probably developed into m'ild autism'.