Autism is not something to be cured! AGREE? OR DISAGREE?

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Is Autism something to be cured?
Yes, cure autism, destroy our aspie + others culture, and make us all like them 20%  20%  [ 13 ]
No, we should value ourselves as we are, and get treatment instead of a cure 80%  80%  [ 51 ]
Total votes : 64

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08 Dec 2010, 4:05 pm

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Curing Autism, AS etc would save a lot of money.


Umm... How? :?


If you know, enlighten us all.


Eh? It was you who made the statement, so I'm asking you to explain the logic behind it. Why would an autism cure "save a lot of money"?

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Why, do you associate your condition with the success you've had?


The mere fact I so strongly crave a high level of success and wealth is a result of my Asperger's.



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08 Dec 2010, 4:31 pm

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No matter how people vote on this subject legal rights are legal rights to receive treatment and choice is a fundamental liberty. Autism costs a great deal of money, it is not the fualt of people with autism. There are two ways of correcting this costation issue. Acceptance in part is a component of inclusion resulting in when applicable partial to full sufficiency and treatment in the form of integration skills development and coping skills as well. To hate on any idea of cure \ treatment in these forms is likely political related having to do with an appropriation of funds. It's time to dissect the sociopathology of this PR mess and figure it out.

I am proud to receive treatment (cure) and it is honorable of others as well as compassionate to make them available to me. I want to know whom has a problem with this and if you do assign your political party status and my constituents will speak to your relevant constituents if there are any constituents that favor your views.

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08 Dec 2010, 7:33 pm

Good intentions don't make you correct. Love doesn't make you intelligent.

It is true that the environment cannot always change to suit the person. That's why you need to learn coping skills. I do not, however, believe in trying to make an Aspie try to survive sans meltdowns in a highly unsuitable environment. It's hard to learn to cope when it's always hammering on you. You wouldn't expect a child to cope in the worst possible environment; there has to be a balance.

The other thing is that meltdowns are going to happen. Teaching skills for avoiding them has some use, but teaching skills for predicting them, maintaining as much control as possible during them and recovering after them is far more useful. Both need to be taught, but the latter is almost always neglected. This leads to shame and learned helplessness as the child is taught that the goal is to always avoid something unavoidable, and a single meltdown is an utter failure. It just doesn't work that way.


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08 Dec 2010, 7:48 pm

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Good intentions don't make you correct. Love doesn't make you intelligent.

It is true that the environment cannot always change to suit the person. That's why you need to learn coping skills. I do not, however, believe in trying to make an Aspie try to survive sans meltdowns in a highly unsuitable environment. It's hard to learn to cope when it's always hammering on you. You wouldn't expect a child to cope in the worst possible environment; there has to be a balance.

The other thing is that meltdowns are going to happen. Teaching skills for avoiding them has some use, but teaching skills for predicting them, maintaining as much control as possible during them and recovering after them is far more useful. Both need to be taught, but the latter is almost always neglected. This leads to shame and learned helplessness as the child is taught that the goal is to always avoid something unavoidable, and a single meltdown is an utter failure. It just doesn't work that way.


I'm not sure if you talking to me, making a general statement or another person.

Where I live and what I am forming is an social service employment environment in which people with autism and other developmental disabilities work together to create, find and promote employment for each other or individually. You spoke about melt down, this is more of a behavioral component and reflects upon certain psychological mechanisms which I am not qualified to speak about. I am an adult and other qualifying individuals are adults.

Your opinion would have been most appreciated when I was younger during one of my IEP meetings. I regressed from being forced into environments I had constant melt downs relating to. These opinions and comments just don't always fit a subjective individuals concerns and autism is a very broad thing to understand.



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08 Dec 2010, 7:57 pm

I voted yes. Asperger's has been nothing but a BANE on my existence. And so many people with autism can't work or contribute to society and they end up collecting SSI/SSDI, draining state social services, and taxing the already taxed public school system. We already have welfare queens collecting welfare checks and stuffing their mouths with junk food they bought on food stamps while they're parked in front of the TV watching Maury or Jerry Springer.

I just feel an ASD dehumanizes people, making people merely a living, breathing, fleshy computer.



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08 Dec 2010, 8:12 pm

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The guilt of costing other people money is harsh. Aside from an arrogant red neck calling people with disabilities lazy and online pride politics not helping me in my life the guilt of my costing others money motivated me to become as accomplished of an advocate in my area as I am. It's not our (your) fault. In part it is a selfishness of society at times but not all the time that fails to appreciate difference as an import to the diversity of the human spirit and to embrace it thus include as if we are all more like family.

Now the monkey's whom will put people down like myself will say something like that's not fair to them because we are helped to be included and they are not but at the same time it's the likes of them whom call folks like me lazy and not a contribution to society. Personally I cannot stand a day going by in which I have achieved nothing productive so I don't need any primal pathological monkey man or women to tell me what I'm not which is lazy and good for nothing.

Nathan Young



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08 Dec 2010, 9:02 pm

I don't care if personally you don't want to be cured but if you've never walked a day in a severe autistics shoes then you really have no idea why people are desperate to cure it. And if you have severe autism and don't want to be cured then good for you. It's good to be happy about who you are.
I don't want to be cured. I would like to be high functioning again.
I am far more impaired than I have ever been before and I don't like it.
I cannot spend time on my special interests because it takes a lot to understand them now. My memory is not as good as it used to me. My short term memory barely exists now.
I don't struggle to talk to people - I don't talk at all.
I can barely walk. I have so many health complications because I can't take care of myself.
I'm not as active or open minded or creative.

If you want to be cured - great.
If you don't - great too.

Just don't take everything so personally. Autism is different for others. Quit getting overemotional and try to think about why people want it cured. Aren't we supposed to be logical?

I'm on disability support because without it I would have no future. I doubt anyone would give me a job, especially because of how I am now.

I didn't vote. I will not vote. I should have a choice to go on medication and I should have a choice to have a cure.

And I still remain for most part of positive person. I just have real issues in life and if there is a type of cure and my family doesn't want to put up with me anymore I may not have a choice (not literally of course - I mean I will feel so bad that I will take whatever treatment necessary).


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08 Dec 2010, 9:07 pm

ci wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrOeGCJdZe4&feature=artistob&playnext=1&list=TLPaNPQQgcu_M[/youtube]

The guilt of costing other people money is harsh. Aside from an arrogant red neck calling people with disabilities lazy and online pride politics not helping me in my life the guilt of my costing others money motivated me to become as accomplished of an advocate in my area as I am. It's not our (your) fault. In part it is a selfishness of society at times but not all the time that fails to appreciate difference as an import to the diversity of the human spirit and to embrace it thus include as if we are all more like family.

Now the monkey's whom will put people down like myself will say something like that's not fair to them because we are helped to be included and they are not but at the same time it's the likes of them whom call folks like me lazy and not a contribution to society. Personally I cannot stand a day going by in which I have achieved nothing productive so I don't need any primal pathological monkey man or women to tell me what I'm not which is lazy and good for nothing.

Nathan Young

You have no idea how much I HATE collecting SSI/SSDI but I have to since I'm in school and I would LOVE to work, but my damn mom forbade me from having a job while I'm in college.

It sucks living off the taxpayers - I was once contributing to social security but I'm leeching off it now.



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08 Dec 2010, 9:18 pm

I hate it allot to and work 7 days a week creating a foundation to protect the disability accommodation needs I have and to become self-sufficient. There comes a point in this spectrum of concern that self-hate can be defeating or freeing. For those that cannot yet or cannot at all achieve higher education let alone get outside of their house these guilt trips just create depression and reduced quality of life. Most of the people I hire, well all, do not have the ability whether intellectually or becuase of sensory and or behavioral reasons to achieve progress in these school settings less short classes. Moreover if society is to appreciate adaptation it will not regress given proven progress thus entirely embrace the disability work industry.

True pride is a thought lens that when seen through forgets the human condition and only knows superiority of condition.



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08 Dec 2010, 9:20 pm

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You have no idea how much I HATE collecting SSI/SSDI but I have to since I'm in school and I would LOVE to work, but my damn mom forbade me from having a job while I'm in college.

It sucks living off the taxpayers - I was once contributing to social security but I'm leeching off it now.


I hate it allot to and work 7 days a week creating a foundation to protect the disability accommodation needs I have and to become self-sufficient. There comes a point in this spectrum of concern that self-hate can be defeating or freeing. For those that cannot yet or cannot at all achieve higher education let alone get outside of their house these guilt trips just create depression and reduced quality of life. Most of the people I hire, well all, do not have the ability whether intellectually or becuase of sensory and or behavioral reasons to achieve progress in these school settings less short classes. Moreover if society is to appreciate adaptation it will not regress given proven progress thus entirely embrace the disability work industry.

True pride is a thought lens that when seen through forgets the human condition and only knows superiority of condition.

I take it you go to Humboldt State. I know a few people living in Arcata.



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08 Dec 2010, 9:26 pm

No I tried going to the colleges.

My behaviorist and I may go sit in classes. I have very poor short-term memory. I am a founder of an autism and developmental disability inclusion organization in Humboldt County. Most people know of the Humboldt Candles disability work project. A few stores in Arcata carry the product but that area has not yet been mass marketed to. Fortuna and Eureka mostly.

Arcata is a Hippie town so here is a song for them.

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08 Dec 2010, 9:33 pm

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No I tried going to the colleges.

My behaviorist and I may go sit in classes. I have very poor short-term memory. I am a founder of an autism and developmental disability inclusion organization in Humboldt County. Most people know of the Humboldt Candles disability work project. A few stores in Arcata carry the product but that area has not yet been mass marketed to. Fortuna and Eureka mostly.

Arcata is a Hippie town so here is a song for them.

that's amazing you're helping out the cause. I wish you luck man.

And maybe if I find myself up in Humboldt we could talk over coffee or something.



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08 Dec 2010, 9:36 pm

Maybe. If I can invite someone to attend.



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09 Dec 2010, 1:21 am

My post was not a response to you, ci, because I don't consider myself qualified to comment on what you posted. I don't understand it; I'm sorry, it sounds interesting.


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09 Dec 2010, 1:28 am

I am not qualified either. I work with professionals that consult me paid for by government money and soon with government money I will hire some directly. I am public relations not a treatment and skills development professional. Personally my attention span is very limited to just one thing all day long for the most part and I forget most everything else. So I know I have to hire people but do think for myself.



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09 Dec 2010, 12:10 pm

Actually I don't want to be cured, I just want to be accepted for who I am. There are positive traits from being on the spectrum, you just have to look for them.