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16 Mar 2011, 11:44 pm

The news has been surprisingly calm today regarding the nuclear situation over in Japan but I will still lose sleep over it. You never know what insanity is likely to happen at those plants tomorrow.



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17 Mar 2011, 12:07 am

Japanese military helicopters are dowsing reactors three and four with water.
It's been several days since the earthquake...what is going to be the grand finale for that plant?



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17 Mar 2011, 12:58 am

Last news source I checked said the US would use an unmanned aircraft to photograph the plant from above and see what's really going on. I suppose using robotic solutions is obvious if the radiation levels get too high for humans to go in or over...



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17 Mar 2011, 2:33 am

If you want accurate information this is the site to go to:

http://www.iaea.org/

These people are top of the pecking order when it comes to international nuclear issues.



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17 Mar 2011, 5:26 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Japanese military helicopters are dowsing reactors three and four with water.
It's been several days since the earthquake...what is going to be the grand finale for that plant?


Being buried in concrete. Just like Chernobyl. It will take months.

The radiation will be sufficiently high that any work on the reactors will become kamikaze missions, which is just perfect for the Japanese.

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17 Mar 2011, 7:20 am

I just watched the Tepco conference, a little while ago... they said absolutely nothing that wasn't already obvious. Nothing that would reassure that they have any solution. They talked about replacing batteries. That was about the best information they provided, and they didn't even answer at least one question that was asked. I think it likely should be questioned if they even could replace any batteries.

I guess it seems that getting them all in concrete, like with Chernobyl, is the only solution. :| Until then, for now, praying for a kamikaze is something that just maybe may be meaningful.... even if I personally don't really believe in prayers... and I don't mainly mean the kamikaze that the mentally unsound guy above has in mind... rather a 'divine wind' that will bring the fallout out to sea, until the concrete solution can be realized.

Any Japanese that feel like eventually even leaving the country should know that it's rather easy to immigrate to Sweden, for example... just saying. :/ Maybe spread the word of that, if it gets even worse...?



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17 Mar 2011, 7:35 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Japanese military helicopters are dowsing reactors three and four with water.
It's been several days since the earthquake...what is going to be the grand finale for that plant?

Dropping 4,000 gallons of water at a time from a helicopter won't do crap. It' hot enough now in those reactor cores to melt titanium, so most of that water will flash into steam before it touches anything. The impurities in salt water might also collect radiation before shooting back out into the air due to the blast of steam.


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17 Mar 2011, 11:19 am

John_Browning wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Japanese military helicopters are dowsing reactors three and four with water.
It's been several days since the earthquake...what is going to be the grand finale for that plant?

Dropping 4,000 gallons of water at a time from a helicopter won't do crap. It' hot enough now in those reactor cores to melt titanium, so most of that water will flash into steam before it touches anything. The impurities in salt water might also collect radiation before shooting back out into the air due to the blast of steam.


the people running Fukushima Dai-Ichi have to be seen doing -something- even if it is futile.

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17 Mar 2011, 11:40 am

The US government is evacuating 600 government personal and family in Tokyo, Yokohama and Nagoya, They will also evacuate Department of Defense personal and family at US bases in the affected areas. The same goes for Private citizens as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/ ... a-12777022



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17 Mar 2011, 11:50 am

Because this thread needs at least one positive:

http://www.seattledogspot.com/2011/03/1 ... -reunited/


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17 Mar 2011, 10:00 pm

ruveyn wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Japanese military helicopters are dowsing reactors three and four with water.
It's been several days since the earthquake...what is going to be the grand finale for that plant?

Dropping 4,000 gallons of water at a time from a helicopter won't do crap. It' hot enough now in those reactor cores to melt titanium, so most of that water will flash into steam before it touches anything. The impurities in salt water might also collect radiation before shooting back out into the air due to the blast of steam.


the people running Fukushima Dai-Ichi have to be seen doing -something- even if it is futile.

ruveyn


if dropping water on them is futile, what is the thing that should be done about the spent fuel? reports are conflicting, but some say all water has evaporated from at least one of the pools.


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18 Mar 2011, 3:49 am

katzefrau wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Japanese military helicopters are dowsing reactors three and four with water.
It's been several days since the earthquake...what is going to be the grand finale for that plant?

Dropping 4,000 gallons of water at a time from a helicopter won't do crap. It' hot enough now in those reactor cores to melt titanium, so most of that water will flash into steam before it touches anything. The impurities in salt water might also collect radiation before shooting back out into the air due to the blast of steam.


the people running Fukushima Dai-Ichi have to be seen doing -something- even if it is futile.

ruveyn


if dropping water on them is futile, what is the thing that should be done about the spent fuel? reports are conflicting, but some say all water has evaporated from at least one of the pools.


If the reactor pool was bone dry as was claimed, the core would of melted down by now. The situation is still serious but it has stabilized:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ef21e3ea-50ed-11e0-8931-00144feab49a.html#axzz1Gqv892Ls

Seriously though, no one has died from radiation poisoning but thousands died from the earthquake and tsunami. Yet, people are going nuts over the Fukushima nuclear situation. The tsunami and earthquake are actually the worse disaster.



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18 Mar 2011, 1:55 pm

Yeah, they really are. I think people are simply worried about the unknown. They don't understand radiation; so it scares them.

Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense to put in some common-sense preparations for natural disasters like this one. It really doesn't take much; and if you do prepare, you'll take a load off the rescue workers that are trying to help out in your area.

This is from the US government:
http://www.fema.gov/

There are a lot of links there regarding what you need to have to weather natural disasters in general. Quick rundown:
--Food and water for everybody in your household for a couple of weeks (more if you can).
--A source of heat if it gets cold enough in the winters to need it (if you can go camping in January without special preparations, you're probably fine with just extra blankets.)
--A month's supply of any meds you need to stay alive/sane.
--A good first-aid/medical kit, plus basic first-aid training for everybody twelve years old or older (or sensible enough to learn at a younger age).
--A bag or backpack for everybody, that they can carry, if you have to evacuate. Be prepared for everything from a cushy hotel room to a blanket on the floor of a gym to a random cornfield.
--A way to get out of your immediate area if you need to. A car, a bike, or just a good pair of shoes.
--Anywhere you go, have with you supplies you will need to get home. For example, if you work in an office, bring a pair of tennis shoes. (I don't know if you guys remember 9/11; a lot of people had the problem of walking across glass and such in formal shoes. Thick-soled running shoes kept at one's desk make much more sense, and allow you to walk from the parking garage without killing your feet.)

If you have problems with unexpected events, drill through the likely disasters in your area. Memorize what you will do so you don't get stuck or go into meltdown. That kind of thing can be anywhere from embarrassing to deadly, so make sure you know what you're going to do before things go nuts. If you live in a group home or with family, make sure you know their emergency procedures.

Really doesn't take much effort, but can save your life...

I'm in tornado country, so I learned this early :)


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18 Mar 2011, 11:45 pm

katzefrau wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Japanese military helicopters are dowsing reactors three and four with water.
It's been several days since the earthquake...what is going to be the grand finale for that plant?

Dropping 4,000 gallons of water at a time from a helicopter won't do crap. It' hot enough now in those reactor cores to melt titanium, so most of that water will flash into steam before it touches anything. The impurities in salt water might also collect radiation before shooting back out into the air due to the blast of steam.


the people running Fukushima Dai-Ichi have to be seen doing -something- even if it is futile.

ruveyn


if dropping water on them is futile, what is the thing that should be done about the spent fuel? reports are conflicting, but some say all water has evaporated from at least one of the pools.

I heard on CNN the workers cannot encase the spent fuel in reactor 4 in sand. The pool that holds the rods has a leak in it, which is why the water level keeps dropping. Still have no clue how they are going to solve this problem...Can someone get close enough to patch up a leak without experiencing radiation sickness and/or death?
If they can manage to get the electricity connected, perhaps they can continuously refill it, maybe with seawater, they have plenty of that.
So far, reactor 2 is the only one intact enough to reconnect the power. It looks pretty good compared to the others.



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18 Mar 2011, 11:54 pm

BtW, earthquake has been upgraded to a 9.



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19 Mar 2011, 1:09 am

Jono wrote:
The situation is still serious but it has stabilized:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ef21e3ea-50ed-11e0-8931-00144feab49a.html#axzz1Gqv892Ls


can't get to that article, but i've heard nothing to that effect. the most promising thing i heard was that they managed to connect reactor 2 to the power grid, but had no idea whether the cooling systems would even still work.


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Seriously though, no one has died from radiation poisoning but thousands died from the earthquake and tsunami. Yet, people are going nuts over the Fukushima nuclear situation. The tsunami and earthquake are actually the worse disaster.


some people will undoubtedly die directly from acute radiation poisoning. the tsunami and earthquake claimed many more lives, and may be as you say bigger disasters, but the fukushima power plant issue is not yet resolved and attempts to restore water into the pools have failed, the Japanese have not been communicating effectively or honestly about what is going on at the plant, and it is still unknown how much radiation could be released if all of the spent fuel melts down. of course people are scared.


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