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13 Apr 2011, 8:28 am

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How does your soul theory explain why that particular patient can see the doctor, while those with eye defect cannot see using the same trick?

I am not suggesting any "soul theory", and why do you presume some kind of "trick" might be at play? A man has reported somehow "seeing" the doctor at work while he (that man) was unconscious, and I am simply curious about how that might have happened.


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13 Apr 2011, 10:54 am

What report? Have we established the man ever seen anything, as opposed to a dream vaguely similar to what happen inside the operation room? Scenes of operation are common in TV and movies.

Furthermore, even when sedated, the chemicals of the eyes and nerves still works. The man may form an impression when he recovers.

Again how does these kind of vague report justify anything supernatural?



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13 Apr 2011, 1:22 pm

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What report? Have we established the man ever seen anything ...?

Yes. Following his surgery, the man reported having seen the doctor make some unusual, exclusive-to-him movements only knowable by someone who had actually been there to observe them.

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Furthermore, even when sedated, the chemicals of the eyes and nerves still works ...

The man's eyes had been taped shut prior to the surgery, and a protective curtain had stood between his head and the doctor.

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Again how does these kind of vague report justify anything supernatural?

The report is not vague, and it is not being used to justify anything. I am simply curious as to how the man was later able to report something it would have been completely impossible for him to physically observe.


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13 Apr 2011, 1:33 pm

leejosepho wrote:
01001011 wrote:
What report? Have we established the man ever seen anything ...?

Yes. Following his surgery, the man reported having seen the doctor make some unusual, exclusive-to-him movements only knowable by someone who had actually been there to observe them.

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In short either the truth or a delusion and no one can independently say which.

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13 Apr 2011, 1:42 pm

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leejosepho wrote:
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What report? Have we established the man ever seen anything ...?

Yes. Following his surgery, the man reported having seen the doctor make some unusual, exclusive-to-him movements only knowable by someone who had actually been there to observe them.

In short either the truth or a delusion and no one can independently say which.

So then, the report can only be deemed true by the *scientist* if it can be reproduced in a laboratory ...

... and now what shall the remainder of us do with it?


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13 Apr 2011, 1:42 pm

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01001011 wrote:
What report? Have we established the man ever seen anything ...?

Yes. Following his surgery, the man reported having seen the doctor make some unusual, exclusive-to-him movements only knowable by someone who had actually been there to observe them.

01001011 wrote:
Furthermore, even when sedated, the chemicals of the eyes and nerves still works ...

The man's eyes had been taped shut prior to the surgery, and a protective curtain had stood between his head and the doctor.

01001011 wrote:
Again how does these kind of vague report justify anything supernatural?

The report is not vague, and it is not being used to justify anything. I am simply curious as to how the man was later able to report something it would have been completely impossible for him to physically observe.


AWAKE topic

If I was said man mentioned here I would be calling for an inquiry as to why the effect of anaesthesia might not have been sufficient. gAAAAAAAAAAAWDawful


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13 Apr 2011, 1:46 pm

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If I was said man mentioned here I would be calling for an inquiry as to why the effect of anaesthesia might not have been sufficient.

You would likely be told the anesthesia only addresses actual physical matters.


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13 Apr 2011, 4:06 pm

leejosepho wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
01001011 wrote:
What report? Have we established the man ever seen anything ...?

Yes. Following his surgery, the man reported having seen the doctor make some unusual, exclusive-to-him movements only knowable by someone who had actually been there to observe them.

In short either the truth or a delusion and no one can independently say which.

So then, the report can only be deemed true by the *scientist* if it can be reproduced in a laboratory ...

.?


reproduced by OTHERS. There is the independent corroberation.

That is why you can more justly believe a verified scientific finding than religious or mystic woo woo.

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13 Apr 2011, 4:14 pm

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reproduced by OTHERS. There is the independent corroberation.

That is why you can more justly believe a verified scientific finding ...

Sure, but that is not the kind of thing we are talking about here ...

... and is everything non-physical truly only "woo woo"?

That makes no sense.


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13 Apr 2011, 4:17 pm

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reproduced by OTHERS. There is the independent corroberation.

That is why you can more justly believe a verified scientific finding ...

Sure, but that is not the kind of thing we are talking about here ...

... and is everything non-physical truly only "woo woo"?



Yes. Everything that exists is physical (which is to say natural).

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13 Apr 2011, 4:22 pm

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If I was said man mentioned here I would be calling for an inquiry as to why the effect of anaesthesia might not have been sufficient.

You would likely be told the anesthesia only addresses actual physical matters.


WOO is me topic

All of Sartresue is physical. During surgery, I should not be awake, or aWOO. 8O


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13 Apr 2011, 6:13 pm

Ah, I think you are just trying to woo me ...

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–verb (used with object)
1. to seek the favor, affection, or love of, especially with a view to marriage.
2. to seek to win: to woo fame.
3. to invite (consequences, whether good or bad) by one's own action; court: to woo one's own destruction.
4. to seek to persuade (a person, group, etc.), as to do something; solicit; importune.
–verb (used without object)
5. to make love to a woman; court: He went wooing.
6. to solicit favor or approval; entreat: Further attempts to woo proved useless.


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13 Apr 2011, 6:33 pm

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Ah, I think you are just trying to woo me ...

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–verb (used with object)
1. to seek the favor, affection, or love of, especially with a view to marriage.
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heaven forbid!! :twisted:


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14 Apr 2011, 6:35 am

leejosepho wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
reproduced by OTHERS. There is the independent corroberation.

That is why you can more justly believe a verified scientific finding ...

Sure, but that is not the kind of thing we are talking about here ...

... and is everything non-physical truly only "woo woo"?

That makes no sense.


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The report is not vague, and it is not being used to justify anything. I am simply curious as to how the man was later able to report something it would have been completely impossible for him to physically observe.


Basically you want to believe there are something non-physical but you don't even dare to specify what non-physical thing you are believing....



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14 Apr 2011, 6:44 am

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Basically you want to believe there are something non-physical but you don't even dare to specify what non-physical thing you are believing....

No, not at all. I am simply asking about possibilities.


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14 Apr 2011, 6:54 am

The only sensible explanation ever proposed is the scientific one, and seems to be good enough given there is little concrete fact to support of reject proposal. Are you proposing any better explanation?