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14 Apr 2011, 6:54 am

The only sensible explanation ever proposed is the scientific one, and seems to be good enough given there is little concrete fact to support of reject proposal. Are you proposing any better explanation?

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14 Apr 2011, 7:07 am

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The only sensible explanation ever proposed is the scientific one ...

What is that explanation?

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Are you proposing any ... explanation?

No.

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14 Apr 2011, 7:18 am

The whole report is delusion misinterpreted by the doctor as describing his 'unique movements'.

Why do you bring up this example?

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14 Apr 2011, 7:29 am

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The whole report is delusion misinterpreted by the doctor as describing his 'unique movements'.

What evidence do you have to support that opinion?

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Why do you bring up this example?

Because I am curious about it.

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14 Apr 2011, 7:40 am

Delusions are known to exist and describing motion by words are inaccurate. You have never established any case. What evidence do I need? What is your evidence that the man actually see anything?

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14 Apr 2011, 7:48 am

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What is your evidence that the man actually see anything?

After the surgery had ended and he was again awake, he specifically described some unusual-and-unique arm movements made by the doctor (along with some other things that could only be physically observed by someone present at the time).

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14 Apr 2011, 7:50 am

Nonsense. He is just saying some words the doctor thinks is describing his movement.

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14 Apr 2011, 8:02 am

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Nonsense. He is just saying some words the doctor thinks is describing his movement.

No, not at all. As part of helping to keep his hands sterile, that particular doctor uses his elbows to point at things during surgery.

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14 Apr 2011, 8:08 am

Here is the documentary at NetFlix ...

http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Nationa ... height3160

I will look to see whether it might be available elsewhere.

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14 Apr 2011, 9:14 pm

GAPS.

GAPS.

GAPS.

"Weird s**t, therefore god."

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15 Apr 2011, 7:22 am

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"Weird sh**, therefore god."

Why would there have to be a god in order for "weird s**t" to be real?

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15 Apr 2011, 4:24 pm

leejosepho wrote:

Bethie wrote:

"Weird sh**, therefore god."

Why would there have to be a god in order for "weird sh**" to be real?

For some people it seems like Harry Potter, real magick, and talking dragons would be what we'd need to prove that there's a god, to me that doesn't even make sense, you could have any of that or none with or without a god. Seems fair enough to say that certain gods could be dismissed by comparing historical theology to what's here but, that's it.

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16 Apr 2011, 2:46 am

leejosepho wrote:

Bethie wrote:

"Weird sh**, therefore god."

Why would there have to be a god in order for "weird sh**" to be real?

Dyslexic?

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16 Apr 2011, 8:48 am

Bethie wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

Bethie wrote:

"Weird sh**, therefore god."

Why would there have to be a god in order for "weird sh**" to be real?

Dyslexic?

Please explain. I am honestly looking for possibilities here. I already believe/suspect there is "something beyond" the physical world as we know it, and I am interested in hearing what other people think about that either with or without including any specific thought of any "God".

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16 Apr 2011, 8:50 am

leejosepho wrote:

Bethie wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

Bethie wrote:

"Weird sh**, therefore god."

Why would there have to be a god in order for "weird sh**" to be real?

Dyslexic?

I agree with you there's something very very weird going on out there beyond the limits of our understanding.

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17 Apr 2011, 10:04 am

It is true that we know very little about how the brain works, and what we commonly believe now may be completely wrong (I would even say, philosophically, experience is just an illusion).

However, 'something beyond the physical world' is just nonsense (especially considering how those something interacts with the physical world). The occurrence of 'weird events', with no systematic study, is not a basis of such extraordinary claim.

I did not see the clip but I read some transcripts. Fact is
1) The patient did not have his eyes covered all the time, and may have seen the doctor before or after the surgery
2) We never knows what he really experienced. We only knows what he says, long after the supposed event happened and filtered by his normal mind.

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