Unintentionally pissing people off and aspergers?



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Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:28 am

Well first of all you piss people off because you assume that the group you joined which consists of "rugged individualists who make up their own rules in life" is just that when in reality it isn't. In actuality they are conformists that conform to the social rules of the particular group. For example the hippie group you joined thinks they are different because all the men have long hair. But in reality having long hair is not different because everyone in the group has long hair. To be different in that group you would cut your hair but then you would find yourself ostracized as if long hair had some magical property.

Recently I joined what I thought was a support group for people with schizophrenia and autism. But it actually was a support group for mental illness deniers. So when I confided to the group that I am a person that is regarded as having autism and maybe that they are right I was immediately reprimanded and the website was deleted by the administator.

What pisses people off is if you skillfully challenge their belief systems with your superior logic. Autistics love to quote those verses in the bible that support Communism to the religious fundamentalists who claim the Bible is inerrant yet can't face the reality that thier loved ones died for nothing in a stupid war.



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Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:45 am

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Autistics love to quote those verses in the bible that support Communism to the religious fundamentalists who claim the Bible is inerrant yet can't face the reality that thier loved ones died for nothing in a stupid war.


True enough. Communism is a murderous ideology though that doesn't actually care about people. It sounds good but it has caused far more grief, destruction, depression and death than Nazism ever could.

I ask a (very intelligent) Polish friend, who is quite left-wing, what it was like to live under a Communist government. The spark of hatred in his eyes said it all.



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Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:18 am

I unintentionally piss people off all the time but not because I say insulting things to them. I did used to when I was a child because my brain would make an observation and I would say it, not realising that I was saying anything wrong. However this resulted in getting told off a lot so I learnt to keep my observations to myself lol.

In my adult life I more or less piss people off with my continuous rambling about stuff they are not interested in.

I get told to shut up a lot lol.

I also get told off for not responding to people when they speak to me although sometimes I don't think that's all my fault and I don't do it intentionally to be rude or anything. It's just that sometimes people will say something that seems to be more of a statement and which to my mind doesn't require a response like:

"I'm going shopping next thursday"

To which I don't reply and so it goes like this:

"hello are you listening to me...hello, I spoke to you, are you deaf did you hear me"

"yes I heard you"

"well?"

"well what?"

"what did I just say then?"

"you are going shopping next thursday"

"and?"

"and what? That's all you said"

"yes but aren't you going to ask me what I'm going shopping for or where I am going?"

"ok then what are you going shopping for and where are you going..."

Geez lol.

To which i think (but don't say)...fascinating...can i get on with my art now lolololol

*ahem*

Sometimes however i over compensate and try to respond to everything everyone says in case I am being rude by not responding...that gets me the reputation of being an overly talkative person who has to always have the last word instead lol.

One day I will get the balance right lol.



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Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:46 am

I piss people off sometimes now. I don't talk much anymore. Back in high school and as a kid I pissed people off a lot and when I first started posting online, I seemed to piss off lot of people because I was an easy target for getting bullied and singled out because I was so naive and innocent and it pissed people off. Now it's less now.

I know people get annoyed when I don't get things so I just pretend to get it or don't keep questioning it and that way they think I get it. I do the same with my mother because she also gets pissed about it.

Oh and I mostly say "okay" to pretty much everything just so people know I had heard them.



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Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:24 pm

I don't necessarily piss people off, but I'm unintentionally rude. It leads people to ignore me, which is actually fair: I'm also generally unintentionally ignoring them.

Sometimes I'm completely aware of it, though, but I do it anyway for FSM knows why. I'm a living contradiction.



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Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:43 pm

Being that my ambition is to be a school teacher (and I currently work at a daycare), I try to be as polite and personable as I can. Still, sometimes there's a nagging feeling in the back of my head to speak my mind even when it's obviously not in my best interest to do so. Then again, who of us here hasn't had that urge? :lol:



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Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:19 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Well first of all you piss people off because you assume that the group you joined which consists of "rugged individualists who make up their own rules in life" is just that when in reality it isn't. In actuality they are conformists that conform to the social rules of the particular group.


Oh, a distant memory of yore arises, and I remembered: I had a youthful hatred for conformity! Then I became an anti-conformist in the "anti-popular crowd way", but then I laughed it off when I heard someone asked online "Do you conform to anti-conformity?" and realized that independence and rebelliousness were two distinct conceptual subcategories of "anti-conformity".


So, what if I was actually a stereotypical NT this entire time and I was just pretending to possess aspergers (because *I* believed that I had it at the time?)? How would an analysis of this entire situation play out?

Neurotypical Point of View
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So, maybe I'm just an NT with rebellious characteristics, poor empathy and deficient intellective attributes (or maybe heavily mismatched intellective attributes, with extremely high in a few categories and relatively poor in other crucial areas such as memory)?

I'm thinking I was pretending to be someone with aspergers on the front page when replying to people's replies as, yeah, that was obviously sarcasm in the second post. I'm thinking I probably did so for humor. But, then torako came along, and I decided to highlight her as the archetypal asperger bully by playing the victim card, and that turned the crowd against her, and then after gaining the crowd's sympathy, I started coming up with come-backs in full vigor as I can usually piss people off when I want and now she thinks I'm "a fundamentally bad person". :lol: I might be, though I'm a bit curious how exactly.

But, btw, my first post wasn't out of humor, as I was quite serious about that. However, I suppose some parts might've had a jokey tone... unintentionally. I wonder if unintentionally having a jokey tone is also a symptom of aspergers?
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What if I actually possessed aspergers? How would a description of this thread play out?


Asperger's Point Of View
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So, I spilled out my guts on the first post in a moment of distress having recently accidentally really pissed off another member on the boards.

I actually didn't really know the second post was sarcasm, because the guy was aspie and I didn't think aspies could use sarcasm? (If they can't understand sarcasm, then how could they *effectively* deploy it?) Or, even assuming I thought it was sarcastic, I still had the inkling that it wasn't.

Torako attacks me and I, like a typical aspie, cry foul.

I attempt making comebacks, but they're weak as heck because I'm not really "good at that" because aspies typically aren't, and torako stops responding because she doesn't find them interesting / "taunt-ful" enough to respond to.

And then the rest is history.

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What's the deliberation? I don't know. Could an aspie actually make a description such as the above considering that I'm pretending to be an archetypal "NT" person and pretending being an archetypal "Aspie" person in describing the situation from each's point of view? Hah. Maybe I was just neurotypical all along and I was pretending to be someone with aspergers on the first post (Having genuinely convinced myself of it when I wrote it.)?



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Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:21 pm

I think what really upsets foreman and managers at work is if you come across as a liberator of the working people. Management is all about opression so if you want to get along with managers you have to learn how to be unfair and to opress other people.



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Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:14 pm

I really showed my aspieness with this last week. I was sitting in class, trying to finish my trig test, and of course I'm the last one working, as always. I was deep in thought trying to find the answer for this one problem and I could not get something reasonable, it didn't make any sense. Then the teacher walked by and started hovering over me. She took the test out of my hand, and, frustrated, I thought I politely informed her that I was not finished. She said to see me after class. I had no idea what it was about. I did not think I had done anything wrong. She then proceeded to teach the next lesson, and after I finished the last two problems. As I was getting ready to leave at the end of class, she had the nerve to tell me that I was being disrespectful. All I could think was that if I wanted to be disrespectful, I would have flat out said "I'm being disrespectful towards you". I mean seriously? I haven't been talked down to like that since the second grade. That one incident has still been bothering me. I can't believe she told me that.


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Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:34 pm

I have a deep loathing for authority for various reasons. If this pissed off person is an authority figure--or they act like one-- then I'm pretty sure I'm winding them up on purpose. I can really let my aspie-ness out then because my naturally inquisitive mind takes over and I ask and rebut until the "piss off-ee" is red in the face.

This is usually not worth the trouble in the end. In retrospect, I went too far.... but in the moment it felt GREAT!

On the other hand, if the person is someone that I'm very clumsily trying to get to know, those same exasperating qualities still come out. Then I feel bad. I think.


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Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:20 am

As far as math class goes most normal teachers and students have accepted the fact a long time ago that when it comes to testing you either know the material or you do not know the material and if you do not know you should be honest enough to admit you do not know. But you try to invent a solution whether it is some higher form of pyramidnometry (tetragonometry) or some exotic form of calculus but in reality you are not being disrespectful because all mathmatic technology was in fact invented by autistic people like Isaac Newton who never had an a priori or complete knowledge of the subject because it had not been invented yet but rather had to resort to faking it to come up with a solution which is called cheating.



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Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:47 am

This topic is the main reason I first researched Asperger's.

I work as a supervisor at a grocery store and have been getting continually lectured on my condescending tone towards my subordinates. I honestly thought I was being fair and polite all the time. Of course, it doesn't help that the facial expression I use when "coaching" an under-performing worker, which I describe as a "neutral" expression, apparently looks more like a "death glare" (as one of my workers called it).

I am SO in the wrong job...



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Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:08 am

"If you ask what someone means when they say something, they get exasperated, and those who even stick around complain that you take everything so literally."

This exact phenomenon, asking someone what they mean when a person thinks he has just said what they mean, was pervasive as my son (unrecognized AS at that time) grew up. As a parent, it was very annoying to be challenged again and again as to the meaning of what was being said. Now, however, we recognize AS and are learning more about auditory processing. Our family's journey to discovery and appreciation of AS is documented in [i]"Wait, What Do You Mean?" Asperger's Tell and Show.[/i] The section on auditory processing, as quoted by Aspies, begins on page 155. See at [url=http://www.amazon.com]Amazon.com[/url], or at www.aspergerstellandshow.com



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Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:39 pm

Actually it is the person in power who is literal. For example if a mechanic thinks that you deviated from the letter of the warranty contract he voids the warranty even if you did no damage to your car. So no wonder I ask the mechanic for clarification because I need to protect myself because I cannot afford to pay for expensive repairs. If the mechanic were more reasonable and laid back I would also be more reasonable and laid back.

A neurotypical person knows how to dance with people in power and is aware of the unwritten rules so he does not need additional clarification. For example if a NT person is too cheap to pay a mechanic to do oil changes in order to maintain the warranty he will find out which brand of oil the dealer uses and will buy the dealer oil filter. Of course this is totally illegal because a dealer cannot tell you which brand of oil to use but the NT does this anyway in order to dance with the dealer because out of pride he knows the mechanic will usually never question the qualifications of a do it yourselfer who uses the dealer reccomended oil, filters and cigarettes. (Yes motorcycle shops even sell private label branded beer and cigarettes).



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Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:42 pm

Last week I was walking home from the train station and passed a neighbor's house. She was on her porch leaning out her door smoking a cigarette and said "Hello Cosmic". I was pulling a cart with some groceries behind me. I hadn't seen or spoken to her for a long while and so I joined her on her porch for a cigarette. We got to talking about her kids and mine and various other things. I told her how much it bothered me to have so much opposition from my family when it comes to keeping the house organized because I hate living in chaos. I said "Our front porch is a mess. Nobody puts anything where it belongs and there's crap all over the place." Then I looked around her porch and said "Just like your porch." It just came out. She didn't laugh or even smile. I guess I offended her but I was just telling the truth. She just kind of glared at me and pretty soon she gave me the bum's rush by saying, "Well, bye Cosmic." I would have laughed if the situation was reversed.



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