Is it true some aspies are homicidal?
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Just yesterday I overheard something on TV about AS/HFA not being accepted as part of any plea in some kind of homicide case, but I do not know whether that story was about something current or something now past.
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There are neurotypical people that kill. AS has nothing to do with it. There are crazy people who have AS and there are neurotypical people who are crazy. People don't know for sure if Hitler had AS. I think it was more likely that he had a personality disorder.
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A very small percentage of people with Aspergers turn to violence. But the phrase "some of them are going to turn into cold-blooded killers" could equally be applied to NTs, or pretty much any group you can think of. People vary in many ways. People from every group turn into killers. That does not in any way justify suggesting a link between homicide and that group. Should we avoid NTs because some of them become killers? The idea is neither more nor less absurd than shunning those with Aspergers for that reason.
Those who have committed murder are killers, whether hot or cold blooded. Those who express an interest in killing others are, presumably, more likely to turn into killers than others who don't. Other than those two obvious groups, I don't think there is any group of which it can justifiably be said they are likely to turn into killers. We might as well shun all children - after all, some kids grow up to be killers... heck, a few of them kill while they're still kids.
Sorry, but anyone who falls for that type of reasoning just isn't doing much in the way of thinking.
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I don't think most of us kill our neighbors, so I wouldn't say "we are all homicidal" or that it's in our nature.
It's true that people from any demographic can kill, although the motivations (not dependent on demographic) can vary from self-defense to revenge to hatred to, well, there's Dahmer, I guess.
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I don't think most of us kill our neighbors, so I wouldn't say "we are all homicidal" or that it's in our nature.
It's true that people from any demographic can kill, although the motivations (not dependent on demographic) can vary from self-defense to revenge to hatred to, well, there's Dahmer, I guess.
What I'm trying to say is, theres potential in everybody to be homicidal, unfortunately
I'm a bit of a misanthrope so I don't really have that much trust/faith in humanity at all
I believe people with ASD's tend to be too honest, or that most have an interest in something that doesn't involve homicide. Do you ever need to kill someone to learn about star systems or bus schedules or games? I think there is also the matter of logic, they see no reason to kill another person. I think the Wikipedia page mentions that a vast majority of people with ASD's that do commit serious crime usually have other psychiatric conditions too.
Saying that we can use simple logic.
Some people are homicidal. People with an ASD are people. Therefore some people with ASD's are homicidal.
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I don't think most of us kill our neighbors, so I wouldn't say "we are all homicidal" or that it's in our nature.
It's true that people from any demographic can kill, although the motivations (not dependent on demographic) can vary from self-defense to revenge to hatred to, well, there's Dahmer, I guess.
What I'm trying to say is, theres potential in everybody to be homicidal, unfortunately
I'm a bit of a misanthrope so I don't really have that much trust/faith in humanity at all
Okay, that makes more sense to me. I guess I took you a bit literally.
There's significant overlap between aspergers and schizophrenia, so if he had any "schizophrenic" traits, he would've also had "half aspergers" type of traits. However, I caught some of his videos before he went onto his deadly rampage, and I found no evidence of schizophrenic traits. Sure, he might have had unusual beliefs, but his beliefs were directly derived from the sovereign citizens political beliefs so there was nothing "hallucinatory", "imaginary" or "paranoid" about it.
Ive just been looking at photos of him and I dont get an aspie feeling from him. And I have met lots of aspies. I would say schizophrenia is more likely.
And autism and schizophrenia are two different things.
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And by the way, I agree that Cho could be on the spectrum, but there was something really wrong with him too, he looks to be very mentally disturbed on top of the AS.
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Some people are homicidal. People with an ASD are people. Therefore some people with ASD's are homicidal.
i am sorry but that is incorrect logic.
Agreed, and maybe this simple correction will work ...
"Some people are homicidal.
"People with an ASD are people.
"Therefore [it is not impossible for] people with ASDs [to be] homicidal."
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i do think that such effects are possible; as a last-wall crossed final emotional breakdown.
i myself am passive and anti-violence, but there are times that you'd better not be near me if you dont wish to get hurt; i usually manage to channel my anger into inanimate, prefereably indestructible, objects like tables and walls, but if a living being gets too close...
still, i wont kill others, and it's very unlikely that i would even break a bone, but it does not feel illogical for others to go the distance, for most of these stories i hear i do indeed feel the pain and the workup involved.
Hmmm... I don't know about that. A significantly greater percentage of aspies are continuously bullied than NTs, so I'd imagine that'd push the homicidal rate up higher.
Sources? ...And... Seung-Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech killer, was introverted. In fact, the introverted creepy killer type is such a well-known archetype, like with those Columbine killers.
Click on the link, scroll down to the quote and click on the links to the studies:
Autism and Murder
So, in each subgroup of PDD the authors looked at, the rate of criminal conviction was lower than controls. For the type of autism that Doherty and AoA are talking about less than 1% had a conviction compared to 18.9%. I think its clear that if this paper is accurate then we’re hardly going to be overrun with autistic killers.
Oh, and the "creepy introverted killer" stereotype? Is a stereotype with no basis in reality. Killers tend to be extroverts about 75% of the time, just like the general population.
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