Pros and Cons about FEMINISM.
ConfusedDude
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Feminists have the right to everything. But are they responsible for those rights?
Here are the Pros about feminism:
1.They have more freedom,
2.they have the right for everything and anything,
3.they have more control in society and the "future",
4.etc.
Now here are the cons:
1.They tend to go a little too far,
2.they use their rights to get away with anything and everything,
3.in a minority of feminist women, they can be sexist and misandric,
4. "...just because men can't hit women, doesn't mean women can hit men."
Well there you go. I don't have a thing agaisn't feminism. I'm a pro-feminist. But ladies, I think you might tone down the cons.
OK? Peace.
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I've found that if someone has to announce to me that they are a feminist, they've already told me they are out of their league. A real feminist (and this goes for all forms of belief systems or isms) doesn't need to announce it, they should let their actions speak louder than their words. The people that need to announce it are basically telling me I'm too stupid to understand her views unless I understand her background. Again, this is no different than with any other group, but you rarely see Christians loudly announce to people they meet that they are Christian. They may mention it in passing, but it doesn't get DIRECTED at the person they are speaking to. So a real feminist needs no literature, or charity, or any other way of proving she is a "real" feminist. Does she need to prove to me that she is a woman too? If so...I don't mind.
Response to the cons:
Not sure what you're saying here. It isn't possible to go 'too far' when we are talking about equality.
Men have been doing this since, well, ever. Male privilege is ingrained, and the idea that women are 'using' feminism to get away with stuff is well, downright hypocritical considering the amount of privilege men enjoy.
I don't deny that this is the case (in a very minority,) but we can't deny the legions of misogynistic women (no, that isn't an oxymoron,) and, of course, men.
I don't think you'll find many feminists advocating wives beating up their husbands. Assault is assault, no matter who is doing the assaulting.
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This is my view on feminism: women deserve to treated equally. Women can be just as a good leader as a man if they have the necessary skills for the job. I'm not going to vote some woman in power if she is a terrible leader. My generation has not fought for women's rights but I do appreciate what my grandmothers/ mothers generation has done for me
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I see, link me to your thread please
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No Thor is *starts a religious argument*
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I see, link me to your thread please.
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No Thor is *starts a religious argument*
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No Thor is *starts a religious argument*
I'd rather not, it wouldn't end :S
Which one?
As for feminism, if the only things that feminists are going for is gender blindness - equality of gender in all things - then it is a Good Thing.
But if the person seeks legislation to provide advantages for women based on their gender alone, then that is Feminazism - a Bad Thing.
And if a person seeks to overthrow the current order and place women in all postions of authority, then that person is a Feminista - another Bad Thing.
Finally, if a woman insinuates herself into the life of a man just so that she orchestrate a fatal "accident" and inherit his wealth when he dies, then she is a Femininja - a Very Bad Thing.
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I see, link me to your thread please
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Odd, to list the pros and cons of an equality-based movement, as opposed to the massive cultural, political, and economic inequalities it indicts and fights.
It's only July, and yet 2011 has been a record-setting year for state restriction of abortion rights and access to reproductive health care,
and the Supreme Court has made it clear sex discrimination is cannot be considered at work unless there's a policy promoting it in a manual.
At any one time, there are millions of women and girls being trafficked, sold, and held involuntarily in sex slavery,
and for all the modern crowing about women's successes in education and the work place,
the vast majority of leadership positions- cultural, political, and economic,
are held by men.
The higher the position, the more likely this is to be true.
Ludicrous, in this context, to conjure up a phantom feminism and then recoil in horror from it.
People who are obsessed with the concept of women who hate men (because we all know a feminist must be female)
are in fact not discussing feminism at all,
but sexism,
and for the egalitarian anti-sexist (that is, the feminist) little girls being sold to old men to "cure" their HIV is a bit more pressing of an issue than the occasional loud-mouthed woman in a bar declaring all men to be dogs.
It's almost laughable, if not so absurd-
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ConfusedDude
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It's only July, and yet 2011 has been a record-setting year for state restriction of abortion rights and access to reproductive health care,
and the Supreme Court has made it clear sex discrimination is cannot be considered at work unless there's a policy promoting it in a manual.
At any one time, there are millions of women and girls being trafficked, sold, and held involuntarily in sex slavery,
and for all the modern crowing about women's successes in education and the work place,
the vast majority of leadership positions- cultural, political, and economic,
are held by men.
The higher the position, the more likely this is to be true.
Ludicrous, in this context, to conjure up a phantom feminism and then recoil in horror from it.
If you're so obsessed with the idea that those who hate men (because we all know a feminist must be female)
then you are in fact not discussing feminism at all,
but sexism,
and you've a lot to learn about the world if you think men endure the brunt of it.
It's almost laughable, if not so absurd.
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It's only July, and yet 2011 has been a record-setting year for state restriction of abortion rights and access to reproductive health care,
and the Supreme Court has made it clear sex discrimination is cannot be considered at work unless there's a policy promoting it in a manual.
At any one time, there are millions of women and girls being trafficked, sold, and held involuntarily in sex slavery,
and for all the modern crowing about women's successes in education and the work place,
the vast majority of leadership positions- cultural, political, and economic,
are held by men.
The higher the position, the more likely this is to be true.
Ludicrous, in this context, to conjure up a phantom feminism and then recoil in horror from it.
If you're so obsessed with the idea that those who hate men (because we all know a feminist must be female)
then you are in fact not discussing feminism at all,
but sexism,
and you've a lot to learn about the world if you think men endure the brunt of it.
It's almost laughable, if not so absurd.
Congratulations.
You're a feminist.
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of the human Heart, that very few Men, who have no Property, have any Judgment of their own.
They talk and vote as they are directed by Some Man of Property, who has attached their Minds
to his Interest."
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