aren't ret*d people the opposite of autistic people?

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19 Feb 2012, 6:37 pm

I find average IQ people tiresome sometimes, ret*d people I just avoid or keep the interactions brief with.

Maybe I expect too much from people, it does annoy me how the default setting of the vast majority of humans seems to be an aggressive ignorance characterised by a strong belief in their presumed moral superiority to anybody who questions their worldview.

I suppose ret*ds aren't so bad really, certainly not as irksome as some self professed intellectuals who take all of their political direction from Karl Marx's ideological offspring.



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19 Feb 2012, 9:18 pm

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I find average IQ people tiresome sometimes, ret*d people I just avoid or keep the interactions brief with.



I have similar reactions when faced with cerebral narcissists. They are ret*d too, in their own way, so I try not to ignore them, but they are very boring.


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25 Feb 2012, 3:35 am

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I find average IQ people tiresome sometimes, ret*d people I just avoid or keep the interactions brief with.



I have similar reactions when faced with cerebral narcissists. They are ret*d too, in their own way, so I try not to ignore them, but they are very boring.


I'm not a cerebral narcissist, the source of my dislike comes from my belief that I don't consider myself to be greatly intelligent and yet most people are less. It is quite depressing to realise the world is in the hands of people less capable than somebody I consider to be fairly useless.



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25 Feb 2012, 4:07 am

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and don't you just love them? i think ret*d people are sweet and mellow with a sunny side to them. they're honest and kind and bond with animals.
i wonder if other autistic people like ret*d people, too, and feel more comfortable around them and feel some kind of bonding with them, like i do. and do you think they're the opposite of us? we're tempermental, they're docile. we have a higher intelligence level and they have a lower one. we're hyper and prone to frustration, they're calm. we're suspicious and they're trusting, (too damn trusting for their own good, sometimes. there are all kind of sickos out there). we get bored quickly, they're content in doing boring chores. we're unfriendly to strangers, they're super friendly and open.


i've met some intellectually disabled people over the years and found you can't lump them into one big personality group. However, one thing i found (unfortunately) is that being intellectually disabled doesn't necessarily mean they will miss the Aspie faux pas. For example, "slow" people pick up on little social blunders, even if it is something as slight as a body language gaffe. If they sense something is off, they may not be able to express it but still pick up on it. Someone with an intellectual disability is not necessarily trusting; people have told them not to talk to strangers, and if you want to befriend them it may still be a challenge, because their caregivers have to "approve" of the friendship, in a sense.



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25 Feb 2012, 6:12 am

It's funny - I've met three people in my life who have Mental Retardation, and I have and know better social skills than all three of them put together.

I even feel like I have a better chance of going to the pub and socialising that what these people have, if you know what I mean. But they were severely Autistic, they just had a severe learning disability that affected their behaviour, learning and social interaction. They had the mind of a 2-year-old. My mind is about 4 when I have outbursts, 14 when I have mood swings, 70 when it comes to social situations, and 21 (my own age) in otherwise.


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01 Mar 2012, 6:39 pm

DreamLord wrote:
Orr wrote:
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I find average IQ people tiresome sometimes, ret*d people I just avoid or keep the interactions brief with.



I have similar reactions when faced with cerebral narcissists. They are ret*d too, in their own way, so I try not to ignore them, but they are very boring.


I'm not a cerebral narcissist, the source of my dislike comes from my belief that I don't consider myself to be greatly intelligent and yet most people are less. It is quite depressing to realise the world is in the hands of people less capable than somebody I consider to be fairly useless.


I apologise on how I directed that statement. On who has the world in their hands, I am more concerned with regard their EQ.


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01 Mar 2012, 7:01 pm

good point.

I sometimes ponder the same thing.
Thanks for bringing this up for discussion to open our minds.


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27 Jun 2016, 9:47 am

I'm autistic and I find ret*ds to be too social and one of my neighbors are one... I do not get along with ret*ds because they are way more social than me and a little more childish baby like in a way... theres a huge different between ret*d and autism...



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27 Jun 2016, 10:30 am

The answer to the question is hell no. The Autism spectrum ranges from people who are mentally ret*d to savants. Savants represent 10% of the Autistic people. Arguably 90 percent of us are not the opposite of intellecually disabled. Although functioning labals for autism are going out of style the definition of low functioning autism are those people the OP from long ago thinks she is the opposite of.


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28 Jun 2016, 12:17 am

While not ret*d at least by IQ testing, I did have very strong abilities & equally strong disabilities in testing & at least a couple of the areas of weakness strongly suggested autism as they were areas an autistic would do poorly at.

Unlike many autistic though I have a very outwardly calm demeanor. This does not mean however that I am calm inside my head, it just doesn't show outwardly. I have much difficulty expressing emotions other than sadness & often I wish that I could hide that one more thoroughly. Certain triggers will very frequently start the tears flowing & sometimes even outright balling but I generally am able to go off by myself when I feel that intensity coming on. Not being able to show enjoyment or happiness for the most part makes friendship difficult at best unless there is a common interest but even then there is still very much a flatness to my emotional demeanor that is difficult for me to get over.

I do get angry but I stuff it out of fear that one I could hurt someone else or more likely get hurt myself because I'm not a good fighter, I never have been unless I'm agree to the point of blowing up which takes a lot to accomplish as I have very thoroughly squashed my anger. It has taken years of emotional abuse before I have snapped as an adult.

That is not to say that I haven't harbored thoughts of even murder but never let it out except once when I was still a teenager I was so angry that I almost stomped on one of my foster brothers head which would have killed him.

While I'm not any karate expert I did a lot of breaking boards up to 2 by 4's & once even broke a 2 by 12 with my feet through stomping. I even broke one board against the grain that one of my military cohorts that had a black belt couldn't break against the grain due to the type of wood. He could break it along the grain with his bare hand but I was the only one to break it against the grain which I did with my extremely powerful stomp. The board literally shattered from my stomp.



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28 Jun 2016, 12:43 am

Not only due many autistic people have intellectual disabilities, but many autistic people WITHOUT intellectual disabilities fit your stereotype of ret*d people rather than autistic people.


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28 Jun 2016, 12:43 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
The answer to the question is hell no. The Autism spectrum ranges from people who are mentally ret*d to savants. Savants represent 10% of the Autistic people. Arguably 90 percent of us are not the opposite of intellecually disabled. Although functioning labals for autism are going out of style the definition of low functioning autism are those people the OP from long ago thinks she is the opposite of.


You do realize that most savants are technically mentally ret*d...


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28 Jun 2016, 1:25 am

IQ is a very poor indicator of actual intelligence. People in third world countries score very low but I doubt racial qualities have anything to do with, on the flipside aspergians score very high in IQ tests yet display remarkable intelligence impairment. Intelligence which is namely the ability to act, think, and evaluate situations with practicality and analysis.
Examples of impaired intelligence is our inability to carry one situation over to the next, our tendency to not be able to carry multiple thoughts at once, our many instances of not seeing the bigger picture, deducing things automatically from context, poor executive function, the ability to automatically do what is planned out, repetitive speech, lack of just "getting stuff" that NT people get (for instance: you ask somebody at work what the daily password is, but you just got there earlier than them by 3 hours, and everybody else realized it too before you, now imagine things like this x1000 everyday.)

And so on and so forth.
People with mental retardation are better described as simply have less software and the concept of intelligence is likely absent from them, but many with iqs around 80-90 do display higher intelligence than people with aspergers and have better prospects of success in life.


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28 Jun 2016, 2:18 am

johnnyh wrote:
IQ is a very poor indicator of actual intelligence. People in third world countries score very low but I doubt racial qualities have anything to do with, on the flipside aspergians score very high in IQ tests yet display remarkable intelligence impairment. Intelligence which is namely the ability to act, think, and evaluate situations with practicality and analysis.
Examples of impaired intelligence is our inability to carry one situation over to the next, our tendency to not be able to carry multiple thoughts at once, our many instances of not seeing the bigger picture, deducing things automatically from context, poor executive function, the ability to automatically do what is planned out, repetitive speech, lack of just "getting stuff" that NT people get (for instance: you ask somebody at work what the daily password is, but you just got there earlier than them by 3 hours, and everybody else realized it too before you, now imagine things like this x1000 everyday.)

And so on and so forth.
People with mental retardation are better described as simply have less software and the concept of intelligence is likely absent from them, but many with iqs around 80-90 do display higher intelligence than people with aspergers and have better prospects of success in life.


Literally all you've done is say autistic people have lower intelligence despite evidence to the contrary. You've got one post to prove you're not a troll before being outed as a troll.


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28 Jun 2016, 6:46 am

What is wrong with this guy Johnny? Why has he got an axe to grind?

Erroneous generalization after erroneous generalization.

Best ignored, frankly.



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28 Jun 2016, 6:56 am

Because in my daily life, I've seen NTs who sucked at school and could not read a book to save their life yet have displayed more these intelligence-type qualities that I lack. They do better at work, have better memories, never make silly mistakes, can read and get things without even trying, can plan effortlessly, and find everything easier behind a reception desk (where I used to work).


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