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puddingmouse
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25 Sep 2011, 7:24 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Someday, those people from Pakistan will be regarded as English, they will regard themselves as English, and they will disappear into the English gene pool. That has always been the way of things throughout history.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The only likely way that would happen is if Britain became a majority Muslim country. The other way it could happen is if Islam underwent the same process as Christianity did, which started with the Reformation, and its followers stop believing in it in the same way they do now. Either Britain would have to radically change, or Islam would - I bet on Britain changing before Islam (but the sheer horror that most secular British people have towards Islam makes this really unlikely).

Though seriously, I think both are unlikely to happen. Pakistanis are just going to continue to live in this country the way they have for 50 years - in the same areas as poor whites, enjoying the mutual racism and distrust on both sides. Maybe those said poor whites will get used to them in a few generations (I hope so) and I think the distrust will die down - but Pakistanis are not going to consider themselves English. I asked someone at work what her nationality was (she was Pakistani) and she said 'Islam'. The fact that they tend to marry back home means that we have an ever-fresh supply of first generation immigrants coming in on marriage visas. Maybe if more UK born Desis married UK born Desis (this is starting to happen more and more now) it would help with the community to be seen as part of British life - but it's always going to be separate as long as we live in a secular/culturally Christian country.

I don't think it would be a bad thing if a group is racially and culturally separate, if they accept and are accepted by the dominant group. That's the idea behind multiculturalism, which I don't think is working yet with this particular group. However, I'm not quite as doomy about it as many rightwingers because I've lived in a multi-ethnic area all my life and there is more tolerance in these places than people think.

The melting-pot idea doesn't work as well in Europe with non-European immigrants. It works in America, but for various reasons it wouldn't be practical in a small European country. Multiculturalism does actually work, usually.


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31 Dec 2014, 8:48 pm

simon_says wrote:
And then there are strange things like the sprinting ability of West Africans that suggest some genetic advantage. Something that gives them a 10th of a second edge is possible.
Maybe you mean Jamaican sprinters like world record holder Usain Bolt?

Is It In The Knees?
Published: Monday | December 29, 2014
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2014 ... orts1.html
Researchers try to discover how Jamaican sprinters outrun the world

Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt is the fastest person in the world. (photo at link)

He is the very first Olympic athlete to hold 100 metres and 200 metres world records, having accomplished the former in just under 10 seconds in 2009. He can also travel for 30 miles per hour on foot and in some small towns, that is already the driving norm.

Scientists have long wondered about Bolt's extraordinary speeds.

In their search for Usain's sprint secrets, researchers stumbled upon Bolt's country Jamaica, home to some of the world's most elite sprinters. Researchers have begun to wonder how Jamaica, a country with less people than New York City, gave birth to some of the best runners history has ever known.

physiology

Rutgers University decided to investigate the Usain Bolt phenomenon, and their first step to uncover the secrets of Jamaica's greatest runners is to go through the physiology.

Scientists hypothesised that the alignment of the knees may have had something to do with how Jamaican runners perform on the track and they began to test their ideas by examining the knees of 74 elite Jamaican sprinters, including well-known names such as Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce and Nesta Carter.

They then compared them to a control of 116 Jamaicans who have no experience with the sport. After factoring in sex, age and other external variables in their comparisons, they have concluded that the knees of those who belonged to the athlete group were more symmetrical than those from the control group.

According to Futurity, although the scientists have established a clear relationship between knee symmetry and running speed, no causative relation between the two variables has been concluded.

Robert Trivers, a scientist from Rutgers, says although there is an observable relationship, the nature of the link between symmetry and speed is yet to be established.

Trivers said: "We don't know for sure whether the sprinters are great sprinters because their knees are symmetrical, or whether their knees are symmetrical because of all the time they spend practicing."

In the future, the researchers aim to study more complex details about the runners' anatomies, including minute differences between the left and the right leg. He also aims to do genetic research to discover how Jamaican runners outrun sprinters from other countries.

The study is published in the online journal PLOS one.


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31 Dec 2014, 8:55 pm

True what OP says.

Here in Sweden for exemple, the leader for the biggest fascist political party (Sverigedemokraterna) is smart as hell. He have brainwashed 12,9 % to vote on his political party. His companions are also smart.