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Kraichgauer
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27 Aug 2011, 2:18 am

Inuyasha wrote:
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the rich, uperclass people of america who live in a socialist society. They dont seem to complain too much in the that situation... "I get paid too much!" "I have too many health benefits!" "My house is too fancy!"

That isn't socialism; it's bog-standard capitalism. Sometimes it's said that, in the U.S., we socialize risk (for the well-off at least) but privatize rewards.


Right, but it does come from socialist ideaology. When the uper class needs something, they make it the government's priority to do so, thereby taking money from everyone else to fill that need. We live in a capitalist bureacracy, thats controlled by corrupt socialists... And we're trying to spread this idea across the world?

How does this come from socialist ideology? It is not uncommon for an elite or ruling class to leverage their wealth and influence to extract greater privilege from the government. In highly non-egalitarian societies, the government makes no pretense of being democratic or "of the people" but exists as a means for the ruling class to extract and concentrate wealth and resources among themselves while maintaining control of the lower classes. The rulers may use a patriarchal narrative to justify the social order: the king being the father of the country or the lords being the protectors and benefactors of the lowly peasants. Democracies and socialist states aspire to the opposite: egalitarianism and the government in support of the common wheal.


:lmao:

Study your history, Lenin and Mao were supposedly for the common man. Mao was responsible for the death of thousands if not millions. Socialists claim they are for the common man until they actually achieve power, then come the purges.


Last time I checked, most of western Europe could be described as socialist, and I hardly think there are going to be any purges there, anytime soon.
And to answer your question in an earlier post about how the government is justified in preventing Boeing from moving to a right to work state; to have the union members stripped of their hard won benefits by a bunch of inbred crackers in state government is unacceptable. Boeing has always provided their workers with high wages and benefits BECAUSE THEY ARE A UNION SHOP!

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27 Aug 2011, 8:21 am

Jacoby wrote:
that was captivating neant, you should write a screenplay


Agreed!

Also I think I either need to change my avatar back to a wolf so people can't tell my gender or start picking fights cause otherwise I'm like a ghost in this section.



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27 Aug 2011, 6:38 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Last time I checked, most of western Europe could be described as socialist, and I hardly think there are going to be any purges there, anytime soon. And to answer your question in an earlier post about how the government is justified in preventing Boeing from moving to a right to work state; to have the union members stripped of their hard won benefits by a bunch of inbred crackers in state government is unacceptable. Boeing has always provided their workers with high wages and benefits BECAUSE THEY ARE A UNION SHOP!

Their might be attempts at purges in socialist western European countries, thought the perpetrators are most likely to cite sharia law while the governments and the rest of the countries debate whether it's politically incorrect or racist or not to stop them. Okay, so maybe I'm getting carried away with the hyperbole, but Europe has some more volatile social issues brewing than the US.

Boeing would still keep their existing facilities in Washington in addition to the new one in South Carolina. Boeing would still need to transplant experienced people to the new facility and keep wages high enough to provide a good wage relative to the cost of living in the area. Not attracting really good people would be a huge quality control headache and legal liability that could hurt their product reputation for decades. It's not like they are going to recruit welders and electricians out in front of Home Depot.


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