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24 Aug 2012, 6:37 pm

Hmm the opposite of autism is my co-worker, adhd without social deficits. He is adjusting his behavior when talking to different behavior all the time, very empathetic, extremely social, very extroverted, he can negociate his way through anything, he would be a perfect salesmen.
He obviously cant focus on 1 thing, hes always doing 6 things at once. Whereas I like to hyperfocus and be obsessive.

Well anybody very social and popular comes up in my head.



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25 Aug 2012, 1:08 am

I have found that there are a very large number of INTJ and ISTJ Jungian personality types on the ASD spectrum. Similarities they share, cognitively are the extroverted thinking and introverted feeling functions. The former would explain why we want everything to be logical and orderly, the latter explains why many of us have an idiosyncratic view on different moral principles, and DGAF what society thinks, we have our own beliefs.

Then there is the antithesis, and I can honestly say I do NOT get along with people who happen to use this function on a dominant/tertiary level very often, unless they are reasonable and moral people who are concerned with all people, not just who the mob considers worthy of acceptance:

"The process of extraverted Feeling often involves a desire to connect with (or disconnect from) others and is often evidenced by expressions of warmth (or displeasure) and self-disclosure.

The "social graces," such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate, often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling.

Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling.

Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others.

We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves.

This often sparks conversation and lets us know more about them so we can better adjust our behavior to them.

Often with this process, we feel pulled to be responsible and take care of others' feelings, sometimes to the point of not separating our feelings from theirs.

We may recognize and adhere to shared values, feelings, and social norms to get along.
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http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/Cogni ... eeling.cfm

What this article doesn't mention is the downside of extroverted feeling. If you've ever been subjected to a bully, especially online, as I'm sure most of us have at some point, this pretty much describes the thought process of some people with very poor self-development and parenting. And the bit at the end about the ENFJ is a crock because by far the #1 problematic type I've come across on the internet are antisocial ENFJ types who know their behaviors carries very little risk in the online world.

"ESFJs who have had the benefit of being raised and surrounded by a strong value system that is ethical and centered around genuine goodness will most likely be the kindest, most generous souls who will gladly give you the shirt off of their back without a second thought. For these individuals, the selfless quality of their personality type is genuine and pure. ESFJs who have not had the advantage of developing their own values by weighing them against a good external value system may develop very questionable values. In such cases, the ESFJ most often genuinely believes in the integrity of their skewed value system. They have no internal understanding of values to set them straight. In weighing their values against our society, they find plenty of support for whatever moral transgression they wish to justify. This type of ESFJ is a dangerous person indeed. Extraverted Feeling drives them to control and manipulate, and their lack of Intuition prevents them from seeing the big picture. They're usually quite popular and good with people, and good at manipulating them. Unlike their ENFJ cousin, they don't have Intuition to help them understand the real consequences of their actions. They are driven to manipulate other to achieve their own ends, yet they believe that they are following a solid moral code of conduct."

http://www.personalitypage.com/ESFJ.html[i]

Ironically, however, there are several ENFJs that claim to be aspies on a personality forum I'm on. I just don't see how it is possible, having the innate social intelligence function being your dominant...and being an aspie. It's hard enough to wrap your head around an extroverted example...



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25 Aug 2012, 8:06 am

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I'm not able to think details, I just see things very globally. My way of thinking is always zooming out of systems. I Just think i terms of directions. My brains refuse to go in details and specifics. What do I have?


I would say the oppposite of autism is someone who is really great at socialising, and getting where they want on their wits and even by manipulation of others, but they are academically very poor. There is probably no name for this, it's a type of person rather than a condition. There are people who are millionnaires based on this personality.


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25 Aug 2012, 8:13 am

Normal.

The opposite of any health "condition" is normal.



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25 Aug 2012, 10:03 am

There's no particular group of people that are opposite to Autism. Saying ''the opposite of Autism is...'' is just exaggerating. Everybody's got at least 1 or 2 Aspie traits to a degree.


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25 Aug 2012, 8:24 pm

benr3600 wrote:
there are several ENFJs that claim to be aspies on a personality forum I'm on. I just don't see how it is possible, having the innate social intelligence function being your dominant...and being an aspie. It's hard enough to wrap your head around an extroverted example...


I'm INFP, but borderline INFJ/ENFP/ENFJ. The result: It didn't really hit me that I was fundamentally different until I was 13, and it's taken me most of the following 20 years to come to terms with this and see it in perspective.



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26 Aug 2012, 12:00 am

Valley Girl Syndrome. :lol:


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