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13 Sep 2011, 8:44 am

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Y'know going back to the whole suicide discussion...I do want to say something....

Chronos, being heartless like most (I'd say all, but I'd get in trouble...so much for free speech) women, says that men who commit suicide have only themselves to blame. After all, they didn't seek out counseling. Counseling cannot solve suicidal thoughts...the only thing that can cure these feelings is having something to live for or making the person scared of suicide. I have nothing to live for personally but as I'm afraid of death, I'm still alive. Hopefully I will work up the courage some day...not that anyone here would care.


I'm not heartless SadAspy. You simply choose to see me that way because you sculpt your perception to fit your ideas. I could be Mother Theresa and you would conveniently overlook my acts of kindness.

I will, however, defend myself when attacked, whether I be attacked directly or generally, and ever since I have come to this forum I have been subject to attacks entirely unprovoked on my part, on the basis that I am a woman.

I did not come here with bitterness towards men, and write hostile, angry, slanderous posts about men in general, despite the fact that I've been treated rather poorly by some men with regards to dating in the past.

You will never find me doing that because the truth is, I accept that there are good people in the world and bad people in the world, and their sex has nothing to do with it. I also fully accept the fact that I have Asperger's Syndrome and everything that entails.

I will be honest with you, and I've said this before; It used to upset me when a man I found attractive didn't want anything to do with me, or people I wanted to be friends with didn't want to be friends with me. I thought they *should* want to associate with me because I was nice, honest, faithful and accepting person. But no matter how much I tried, it seemed I always fell short and there was always some other girl he was interested in, who was either prettier, more graceful, or less socially awkward or weird than me...usually all of the above.

I was not what they were looking for because they were wired to look for essentially NT girls and I am not NT.

What are my options? Date someone I am not attracted to? I have Asperger's Syndrome, I get stressed in social situations and so whoever I partner with I must be completely
compatible with or I won't be able to deal with it. Create an NT alter ego for dating? But how long can I keep that up? About 2 months.....one month before I want to violently smash my head into a wall repeatedly. Eventually either I'll have a nervous breakdown or he'll figure out he got duped and leave. Hate the world for not being more accepting of people with Asperger's Syndrome? That's completely futile.

I do not blame a man I find attractive when he does not want to date me because I know he is looking for a woman that I can't be, due to inherent aspects of my physical self, or my personality and neurological makeup. I also know he has no control over who he finds attractive. That has been hardwired into him through evolution. How can I hate someone for something that is beyond their control?

That would be like someone hating me for something that's beyond my control, like having Asperger's Syndrome, and demanding I "just be normal", as if I could magically snap my fingers and think and operate like an NT.

I'm just not the woman he wants. I can't be the woman he wants, ok, fine, I'll just keep looking.

Sure, I might never find someone. But I've come to accept in life that I'm not a normal individual and some paths in life that seem to exist for everyone else just don't exist for me. And you know what? I can live with that. I've missed out on so many things I would have liked the opportunity to experience already and I'm still alive.


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Extremely well said, as usual. :)

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13 Sep 2011, 9:13 am

Grisha wrote:
Chronos wrote:
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Y'know going back to the whole suicide discussion...I do want to say something....

Chronos, being heartless like most (I'd say all, but I'd get in trouble...so much for free speech) women, says that men who commit suicide have only themselves to blame. After all, they didn't seek out counseling. Counseling cannot solve suicidal thoughts...the only thing that can cure these feelings is having something to live for or making the person scared of suicide. I have nothing to live for personally but as I'm afraid of death, I'm still alive. Hopefully I will work up the courage some day...not that anyone here would care.


I'm not heartless SadAspy. You simply choose to see me that way because you sculpt your perception to fit your ideas. I could be Mother Theresa and you would conveniently overlook my acts of kindness.

I will, however, defend myself when attacked, whether I be attacked directly or generally, and ever since I have come to this forum I have been subject to attacks entirely unprovoked on my part, on the basis that I am a woman.

I did not come here with bitterness towards men, and write hostile, angry, slanderous posts about men in general, despite the fact that I've been treated rather poorly by some men with regards to dating in the past.

You will never find me doing that because the truth is, I accept that there are good people in the world and bad people in the world, and their sex has nothing to do with it. I also fully accept the fact that I have Asperger's Syndrome and everything that entails.

I will be honest with you, and I've said this before; It used to upset me when a man I found attractive didn't want anything to do with me, or people I wanted to be friends with didn't want to be friends with me. I thought they *should* want to associate with me because I was nice, honest, faithful and accepting person. But no matter how much I tried, it seemed I always fell short and there was always some other girl he was interested in, who was either prettier, more graceful, or less socially awkward or weird than me...usually all of the above.

I was not what they were looking for because they were wired to look for essentially NT girls and I am not NT.

What are my options? Date someone I am not attracted to? I have Asperger's Syndrome, I get stressed in social situations and so whoever I partner with I must be completely
compatible with or I won't be able to deal with it. Create an NT alter ego for dating? But how long can I keep that up? About 2 months.....one month before I want to violently smash my head into a wall repeatedly. Eventually either I'll have a nervous breakdown or he'll figure out he got duped and leave. Hate the world for not being more accepting of people with Asperger's Syndrome? That's completely futile.

I do not blame a man I find attractive when he does not want to date me because I know he is looking for a woman that I can't be, due to inherent aspects of my physical self, or my personality and neurological makeup. I also know he has no control over who he finds attractive. That has been hardwired into him through evolution. How can I hate someone for something that is beyond their control?

That would be like someone hating me for something that's beyond my control, like having Asperger's Syndrome, and demanding I "just be normal", as if I could magically snap my fingers and think and operate like an NT.

I'm just not the woman he wants. I can't be the woman he wants, ok, fine, I'll just keep looking.

Sure, I might never find someone. But I've come to accept in life that I'm not a normal individual and some paths in life that seem to exist for everyone else just don't exist for me. And you know what? I can live with that. I've missed out on so many things I would have liked the opportunity to experience already and I'm still alive.


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Extremely well said, as usual. :)

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While I think that chronos posts is quite impressive and extremely well written we cant sticky a post on its own and we have to sticky full threads.
If she wishes she can open a new thread and paste this post and we could sticky it.

@SadAspy I hope that you can eventually realize the mistake you are making by blaming women for your own trouble and that you are able to eventually find someone once you´ve dropped the attitude


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13 Sep 2011, 10:21 am

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@SadAspy I hope that you can eventually realize the mistake you are making by blaming women for your own trouble and that you are able to eventually find someone once you´ve dropped the attitude


Maybe if a woman or white knight here actually came up with a legitimate argument, I would consider it. Instead, it's just shaming language.

As for my attitude, for the 993,563,147th time, I used to not have an attitude. What was the reason for my multiple rejections then?



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13 Sep 2011, 10:23 am

SadAspy wrote:
spongy wrote:
@SadAspy I hope that you can eventually realize the mistake you are making by blaming women for your own trouble and that you are able to eventually find someone once you´ve dropped the attitude


Maybe if a woman or white knight here actually came up with a legitimate argument, I would consider it. Instead, it's just shaming language.

As for my attitude, for the 993,563,147th time, I used to not have an attitude. What was the reason for my multiple rejections then?


just life. everyone gets rejected for multiple things all the time.
the key is how to react to these.
you can either brush yourself off when you stumble or throw your toys out of the pram.
however, i know it is pointless to even try and present a point which conflicts with yours because you're too stuck in your own views.
so, i shall leave the matter. one day, you'll see. :) i hope, anyway.



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13 Sep 2011, 10:35 am

SadAspy wrote:
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@SadAspy I hope that you can eventually realize the mistake you are making by blaming women for your own trouble and that you are able to eventually find someone once you´ve dropped the attitude


Maybe if a woman or white knight here actually came up with a legitimate argument, I would consider it. Instead, it's just shaming language.

As for my attitude, for the 993,563,147th time, I used to not have an attitude. What was the reason for my multiple rejections then?

Several members have tried to help you and given up on this issue due to the fact that you were attacking anyone that was trying to help you.

I tried to help you and was accused of being emasculated. When I explained you why I was excusing her behaviour you avoided my post and pretended I hadnt said anything.

Nobody is trying to shame you. Shaming you would be telling you that this females rejected you because you arent worth of their attention or anything along those lines. We are trying to help you by suggesting possible changes that will improve your chances of finding a partner.

I was recently rejected by someone I cared for. Did I went nuts and tried to attack her publicly? No,I told her that she deserved to find a suitable partner because she was an amazing person and I made every attempt I could to remain as friends because I care a lot about her and I get so much from talking to her(even knowing that theres no chance of a romantic relationship between us). What did you do?, you tried to humiliate the person that rejected you without listening to her reasons for rejecting you.

I didnt know you back then so I cant speak for that but I can however tell you that your main problem right now is your attitude.


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13 Sep 2011, 10:55 am

spongy wrote:
While I think that chronos posts is quite impressive and extremely well written we cant sticky a post on its own and we have to sticky full threads.
If she wishes she can open a new thread and paste this post and we could sticky it.


There should be a "L&D Hall of Fame" sticky, closed to posting except for moderators to post exceptionally valuable posts such as Chronos' - that's my US$0.02... :)



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13 Sep 2011, 10:58 am

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Several members have tried to help you and given up on this issue due to the fact that you were attacking anyone that was trying to help you.


LOL....what help? Tellling me I have a bad attitude? That's help?

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What did you do?, you tried to humiliate the person that rejected you without listening to her reasons for rejecting you.


Wrong. I tried to stay friends, and she admitted she was rejecting me on looks.

(And to hyperlexian, before you take out this comment, spongy brought her up, and I was only rebutting his lies).



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13 Sep 2011, 11:18 am

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Several members have tried to help you and given up on this issue due to the fact that you were attacking anyone that was trying to help you.


LOL....what help? Tellling me I have a bad attitude? That's help?.

When someone is attacking those that are trying to help him(as you just admitted to do by avoiding the part of my post about it) they need to change their attitude if they want to go somewhere so telling you that you need to loose the attitude is our attempt of helping you.


As for what happened with her you shall receive a pm from me about it as soon as Im done with exams(that would be mid thursday/early friday).

Edit: wasnt aware that she shouldnt be brought up will avoid doing so in future posts.


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13 Sep 2011, 12:36 pm

spongy wrote:
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Several members have tried to help you and given up on this issue due to the fact that you were attacking anyone that was trying to help you.


LOL....what help? Tellling me I have a bad attitude? That's help?.

When someone is attacking those that are trying to help him(as you just admitted to do by avoiding the part of my post about it) they need to change their attitude if they want to go somewhere so telling you that you need to loose the attitude is our attempt of helping you.


As for what happened with her you shall receive a pm from me about it as soon as Im done with exams(that would be mid thursday/early friday).

Edit: wasnt aware that she shouldnt be brought up will avoid doing so in future posts.

yeah, he went on a flaming attack against her when she was not even around to defend herself. he's been warned about bringing her up either directly OR indirectly as it constitutes a personal attack (many people saw his original attack directed at her so they know he is referencing her). she has taken the high road and does not trash him on the forum even though he does this to her every 10th post or so.


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13 Sep 2011, 3:25 pm

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Wrong. I tried to stay friends, and she admitted she was rejecting me on looks.


..that's not what I heard. :hmph:



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13 Sep 2011, 3:27 pm

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Wrong. I tried to stay friends, and she admitted she was rejecting me on looks.


..that's not what I heard. :hmph:

Weve been asked to avoid this issue but just to make things clear he is right but theres an explanation for what happened(Im just to busy to write him a long pm about it right now).


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13 Sep 2011, 9:14 pm

spongy wrote:
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Several members have tried to help you and given up on this issue due to the fact that you were attacking anyone that was trying to help you.


LOL....what help? Tellling me I have a bad attitude? That's help?.

When someone is attacking those that are trying to help him(as you just admitted to do by avoiding the part of my post about it) they need to change their attitude if they want to go somewhere so telling you that you need to loose the attitude is our attempt of helping you.


As for what happened with her you shall receive a pm from me about it as soon as Im done with exams(that would be mid thursday/early friday).

Edit: wasnt aware that she shouldnt be brought up will avoid doing so in future posts.


I'm going to acknowledge an elephant in the room, so to speak.

In the past I have frequently been accused of arguing when I become confused about something or someone said something counter to my understanding.

I think most people with AS, or at least a good number, probably have a natural inclination to appear to argue with constructive criticism. It's a habit I admit I myself have that I've had to make a conscious effort to overcome. My arguments were actually mis-phrased questions and if AspieGuy is anything like me, that might be part of the issue here.

I've since become better as voicing my doubts and confusion and communicating that I do not understand the other person's logic, in the form of a question. However I've also made more of an effort to listen to other people and trust in them that they might actually be right and give them some benefit of the doubt and consider what they have said, even if I still have hesitation on the matter. Sometimes when someone criticizes you, they are correct, and it can be difficult to accept but sometimes those criticisms should be taken as a gift that could greatly improve ones life.
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