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05 Oct 2011, 7:00 pm

"Occupiers vs. Teabaggers"

It just doesn't have the same appeal as Autobots vs. Decepticons, does it?

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05 Oct 2011, 7:03 pm

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"Occupiers vs. Teabaggers"

It just doesn't have the same appeal as Autobots vs. Decepticons, does it?

:lol:


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05 Oct 2011, 7:45 pm

Fnord wrote:
"Occupiers vs. Teabaggers"

It just doesn't have the same appeal as Autobots vs. Decepticons, does it?

:lol:

It would be more interesting if Occupiers had a spicier/sexier name but, historically it seems like conservatives aren't as sharp-tongued or creatively crass. Call it misplaced priorities.

Occultists? Occupuffers? I'm sure someone can think of something, then again I could still care less - are they going to come up with a similarly populist message that gets the tea partiers looking at them like Scots and Irish on the battlefield in braveheart, throw down their weapons and sing Kumbaya together over horns of mead and mutton chops? I'm sure the instigators would be throwing up in their mouths a little but sometimes it just takes realizing - if there is a 'man' he wants people divided on artificial lines on the real issues.


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05 Oct 2011, 9:05 pm

It was initially organized by Adbusters and Anonymous; does that help?



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05 Oct 2011, 11:47 pm

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lol @ Bernanke and Soros feeling "sympathy" for these protesters. If that doesn't tell you anything, I don't know what will. If these protesters were smart they would be protesting the Fed.


lol

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in ... t-protests

This goes way beyond party politics.


Ron's a really nice guy. I support their right to be their too and there are so things nominally that I agree with some of the protesters but it appears to be going the other way now. I wish this did go beyond politics tho but much like the Tea Party, the establishment forces(unions, Soros groups, Bernanke, and probably eventually the DNC) are moving in to co-opt this "movement" and hollow it out. People are too stupid, misinformed, and easily manipulated to effect change through grassroots it seems. Whenever a protest movement springs up, they get infiltrated and turned on it's head so they end up supporting what they were protesting in the first place. These protesters appear to differentiate between Obama and Wall Street and that is a fatal mistake. Both the Republicans and Democrats are corporatists, there is no difference.


They are free to protest as long as they don't become violent, but I will say Ron Paul is an idiot, and it wouldn't surprise me if this "grass roots" movement is actually being organized by the Obama Campaign or Soros. That would be a typical democrat tactic.



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06 Oct 2011, 1:17 am

Yes everyone remember these are not a group of democrats. Don't do the Republicans Vs. Democrat thing.

Do you not see through that?...divide and conquer. One of the oldest tricks in the book.

These are people who are tired of whats happening.

Aren't you???



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06 Oct 2011, 1:25 am

Hmm, looks like exactly the same bunch that came to Seattle in '99, same lack of focus and everything.

I rather like David Harsanyi's take on things:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men, women, and transgendered—and any other human who is able to elude the tyranny of work for a couple of weeks—are created equal. We gather to be free not of tyranny, but of responsibility and college tuitions. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that a government long established and a nation long prosperous be changed for light and transient causes. So let our demands* be submitted to a candid world.

First, we are imbued with as many inalienable rights as a few thousand college kids and a gaggle of borderline celebrities can concoct, among them a guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment and immediate across-the-board debt forgiveness—even if that debt was acquired taking on a mortgage with a 4.1 percent interest rate and no money down, which, we admit, is a pretty sweet deal in historical context...

...but down with the modern gilded age!

We demand that a Master of Fine Arts in musical theater writing, with a minor in German, become an immutable human right, because education is crucial and rich people can afford to fund unemployment checks until we find jobs or in perpetuity, whichever comes first.

We demand a minimum wage of $10, no ... make it $20. We earned it. And we demand the end of "profiteering," because there is no better way to end joblessness than stopping the growth of capital. We also demand a maximum wage law, because selfish American dreams need a firm ceiling.

We demand the institution of direct democracy, because if a bunch of people say it's OK, it's OK. And everyone deserves to have his or her voice heard. Except Mr. Moneybags, who we demand stop contributing his own money to candidates we disagree with, to issue groups we loathe, and to lobbyists who do not work for organizations featuring "Service," "Employees," "International" and/or "Union" in their title.

We demand the end to bailouts and corporate subsidies, unless we're talking about companies that feature sunflowers or sun rays in their logos, because that's the kind of morally gratifying institution we approve of, and thus, they should totally be fast-tracked and bailed out with your money to bring the fossil fuel economy ("the economy") to an end.

We demand the end to a corrupt Wall Street ("Apple" "your 401(k)") because banks hold too much power. We demand that government consolidate authority so that elected officials can make prudent choices for us. All that cash in banks was printed by the war god Mars and has nothing to do with the voluntary deposits by ordinary Americans, so we do not consider this theft.

We demand the end to corporate censorship, because if we can't force private news organizations to run the types of stories with which we agree, there can't be a healthy democracy. So actually, we demand the end of all corporate news organizations in the name of free speech.

We demand the end to health profiteering, because everyone knows that all the wondrous and lifesaving advances in modern medicine were invented in the People's Democratic Republic of Laos. Smart people work for the good of humanity, not because they're greedy.

We demand these rights because of the mass injustice of being able to freely protest against racism and corporatism without any real fear of imprisonment in the most diverse city on earth. And to the wiseguy who walked by the other day and claimed that I'd be writing this manifesto with a quill pen on parchment paper if it weren't for capitalism, we have two words for you: Koch brothers. Think about it.

This is the fifth communiqué from the 99.9 percent. We are occupying Wall Street, and we're not going home until it gets really cold.

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.

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06 Oct 2011, 8:46 am

Hikikamori wrote:
Yes everyone remember these are not a group of democrats. Don't do the Republicans Vs. Democrat thing.

Do you not see through that?...divide and conquer. One of the oldest tricks in the book.

These are people who are tired of whats happening.

Aren't you???


Exactly! The government's not serving the people because Wall Street owns it - Democrats included! Elections are bought and sold. Political appointments are bought and sold. All 3 branches are corrupt. The media's doing all it can to either dismiss the people, or shove them into little left vs. right boxes because it's in the media's best interest to make sure that this message does not get out. Let's not forget that the media is a huge part of the problem.

Today they're protesting in DC. For the first time in years, I have genuine hope.



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06 Oct 2011, 8:51 am

lol, if the media thinks the riots are so insignificant, I wonder why they are so afraid of them to make strawmen like that.


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07 Oct 2011, 11:59 am

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Today they're protesting in DC. For the first time in years, I have genuine hope.


An "American Spring"? I doubt it. A mob is a mob and that motley bunch on the street are very unfocused. I totally agree with their disgust of the status quo, but they have not offered any constructive alternative.

Clearly letting the government Run Things is out of the question. The reason why we are in this mess is primarily because those who (mis)govern us are churlish, short-sighted and stupid.

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07 Oct 2011, 2:07 pm

ruveyn wrote:
number5 wrote:

Today they're protesting in DC. For the first time in years, I have genuine hope.


An "American Spring"? I doubt it. A mob is a mob and that motley bunch on the street are very unfocused. I totally agree with their disgust of the status quo, but they have not offered any constructive alternative.

Clearly letting the government Run Things is out of the question. The reason why we are in this mess is primarily because those who (mis)govern us are churlish, short-sighted and stupid.

ruveyn


Perhaps I'm being unreasonably optimistic, but I'm noticing a trend towards thoughtful discussion and real problem solving vs. the usual petty arguing over partisan nonsense. I think the people really are fed up with the brick wall set up in congress. Are we going to solve all of our problems and fix the economy overnight? No, of course not, but I see a dim light at the end of the tunnel.

Agreed about the motley bunch though. I cringe when I see the pictures of dirty hippies playing hacky sack and having jam sessions holding up signs saying, "a job is a right." But then again, a lot of these youngsters were sold higher education degrees by for-profit universities with blatantly false job placement statistics and guarantees, so it's not such a wonder where they got these ideas from.

I like this one though,

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