Will the US be like a rerun of the fall of the Roman Empire?

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01 Apr 2013, 3:33 am

A begger with a gun is called something else.

Also with a printing press, that reduces the value of outstanding dollars everywhere.

We Tax the World.



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01 Apr 2013, 10:01 am

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A begger with a gun is called something else.

Also with a printing press, that reduces the value of outstanding dollars everywhere.

We Tax the World.


Because the world voluntarily trades with us.

By the way, inflation does not work. Prices rise. The only advantage is that repayment of loans becomes easier. And no one is forced (by arms or threat thereof) to lend us money.

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01 Apr 2013, 7:19 pm

The US claims sovereignty over every single country on earth... they use weapons deployed everywhere to enforce this self-proclaimed sovereignty and use its control over such things as the IMF to that ends also. "We are the world's organising principle", said Madeleine Albright. Thus, everything is organised according to the US designs... with overarching bodies under US control. Countries that try to escape such are branded "pariahs", "rogue states" and subject to punishments. Most countries accept US domination.



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01 Apr 2013, 8:09 pm

Interesting analogy, with some common points, but no rerun.



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02 Apr 2013, 4:48 pm

xenon13 wrote:
The US claims sovereignty over every single country on earth... they use weapons deployed everywhere to enforce this self-proclaimed sovereignty and use its control over such things as the IMF to that ends also. "We are the world's organising principle", said Madeleine Albright. Thus, everything is organised according to the US designs... with overarching bodies under US control. Countries that try to escape such are branded "pariahs", "rogue states" and subject to punishments. Most countries accept US domination.


Sovereignty is a legal claim. The U.S. makes no such claim as you said it makes.

Why do you exaggerate?

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02 Apr 2013, 11:43 pm

I do not exaggerate. Leader X must go. Country Y needs sanctions unless Leader X goes... We want bases in Country Z... And our Command HQ for the entire continent is in Country A and we can cover the whole area with drones... and so forth... Look what's going on with North Korea, the whole crisis began when the US insisted on buzzing that country with warplanes. Meanwhile, they insist that never will they speak to the leaders of that country as equals... Typical of an empire.



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04 Apr 2013, 2:06 am

The difference, Empires Win.

America has not. North Korea is pointing out that a State of War has existed for sixty years, with American troops stationed on their southern border.

Cuba stood up to the bully, so did Viet Nam. Daniel Ortega became President of Nicaragua.

Our problem, the weak who want to play tough, because they have a gang.

In our case the war industries own Congress, and war is good for business.

Both Patton and McArther had another vision of using war as a diplomatic tool. One wanted to nuke Russia, the other China, both who were our allies.

Iraq is now part of Iran, Afganistan knows the infidels are leaving, and Syria has been killing foreign fighters at an increasing rate.

They do hold a large part of the country the government is not trying to take back, as under the rules of war, they now have to feed the people, provide medical services, keep the water and lights on, and they fail at all of these things.

Their own side says they are dying by the thousands, most deaths are government troops and Jihadis. Those who fled, many from government and military posts, can never return. Those in Jordan, Turkey, may be there forever, for military aid came through both countries.

Russia, China, and Iran have stood firmly with Syria.

We are an economic empire for a while. As long as oil trades in dollars.

A Wall Street Empire, with no knowledge of what it takes to win.



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04 Apr 2013, 9:15 am

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A Wall Street Empire, with no knowledge of what it takes to win.


What is supporting Wall Street. People who know that they are doing. Our day is coming again.

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04 Apr 2013, 11:46 am

I better start making some togas then!


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