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Why isn't Africa getting better?
Its geography isn't ideal 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Its geography isn't ideal 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Climate is harsh/unpredictable 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Climate is harsh/unpredictable 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
Its people are culturally inferior 6%  6%  [ 6 ]
Its people are culturally inferior 8%  8%  [ 8 ]
Its people are racially inferior 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Its people are racially inferior 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
The toxic legacy of colonialism 23%  23%  [ 23 ]
The toxic legacy of colonialism 26%  26%  [ 25 ]
Plain bad luck 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Plain bad luck 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Other 8%  8%  [ 8 ]
Other 9%  9%  [ 9 ]
Total votes : 98

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08 Dec 2011, 5:49 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Africa needs a space program.


Led by their top notch rocket engineers. All 7 of them.

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08 Dec 2011, 5:53 pm

ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Africa needs a space program.


Led by their top notch rocket engineers. All 7 of them.

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To be fair though the other 50,000 are here on H-1B visas.


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08 Dec 2011, 7:48 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
To be fair though the other 50,000 are here on H-1B visas.


Most of our H-18s are from the subcontinent or Asia. However you might ask yourself why qualified African engineers are here and not at home.

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08 Dec 2011, 11:24 pm

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Most of our H-18s are from the subcontinent or Asia. However you might ask yourself why qualified African engineers are here and not at home.

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Lol, no qualms with that question - there's nothing there for em. They're skills would likely just rot unless they were somewhere like South Africa, Lagos, Nairobi, or another major city in one of the developed western lobe countries.


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13 Aug 2014, 4:52 am

Ok, quick history lesson so get comfortable...


The true reason why Africa is backwards is not IQ, but because firstly, Africans have never really been motivated socially to progress or advance. They're not technoligically inclined either. The generally nomadic lifestlye suited them, and they didn't have a reason to change.

Africans didn't start to be motivated to progress until they came into contact with other cultures--the first of which were the Arabs.

History shows that diversity (and to an extent competition) is what fuels progression. Because coming into contact with other groups stimulates growth. For a simple example of this, look at the level of advancement between Greeks compared to the advancement of Vandals and Vikings. Scandinavians were uncivilized and savage precisely because they weren't diverse and came into contact with no one other than un-advanced tribes, and perhaps Celtic tribes (the Celts were more advanced in terms of metal-working) to the South.

Meanwhile, while Northern European tribes were considered backwards by the Greeks, the Greeks were building cities, their artisans made statues, and they created the Olympics, and they theorized about the atom, democracy, and the Republic.
Why was this? Because Greeks were not only naturally industrious, but they had access via trade with the premier empires of the world and the cradle of civilization.

Unlike Africa, there was a free flow of ideas into Europe from Asia. Ideas traveled from Persia and Egypt to Greece. And Persia, Greece, and Egypt all benefited mutually from their interractions. Because the competition stimulated growth.

No real competition existed in Africa to stimulate such growth, because Africans as a people were nomadic and hadn't made cities until within the past 2000 years. While Babylon, Sumeria, and Akkadia had established cities all over the Cradle of Civilization: Mesopotamia.


The Greeks have much that they owe to the Sumerians and Akkadians, who invented farming and civilization. This meme quickly spread from Mesopotamia, reaching Egypt, the Indus valley (Mohenjo Daro), and then Greece.

Meanwhile, Chinese were establishing a civilization in the Yangtzee river valley.


But Africa just was too isolated. As before stated, isolationism stagnates growth. It was Babylonian and Sumerian ideas which made Greece great--thus Greece benefited from this free-flow of ideas. In fact, Greek knowledge of astronomy and science doesn't even touch Sumeria, who famously depicted the Sun being orbited by the various planets.

Rome, likewise, would have never become great if not for the exchange of ideas. Rome was, as some of you may know, initially a trading port established by Phoenicia. Phoenicia was located in modern-day Palestine and Lebanon. And Greece and Phoenicia colonized much of the Mediterranean.

Not only did the Phoenicians establish Rome, they established trading points all along North Africa. Which was the precursor to the Carthaginian empire.

After Phoenicia fell, Carthage and Rome emerged from the remnants of their civilization. Romans were highly uncivilized and took most of their culture from the Etruscans who lived nearby. However, as Rome became larger, they recieved an influx of Greek culture. By the time Rome controlled the entire Italian peninsula, Alexander the Great had already conquered the known word, bringing in new ideas from Persia, Egypt and even India.

But Greece was eventually conquered by Romans. The Greeks viewed Romans as savages with no culture, and the Romans were in awe of Greek culture, thus they adopted not only words from the Greek language into Latin, but they adopted the Greek pantheon, Zodiac, astrology, and all Greek science.

Thus we can see an unbroken archeological line where ideas moved from Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq) and made it to Phoenicia (Palestine/Lebanon) and from there to the warring city-states in Greece.

After the Vandals and other tribes invaded Rome from Northern Europe and Scandinavia they knocked Europe back intellectually perhaps a 1000 years. And Europe experienced a Dark Age and became more isolated than it was during the days of Rome. Thus, there is a correlation between isolationism and lack of intellectualism. Coupled with anti-scientific Church suppression, Europe languished as a continent of warring Christian kingdoms and factions. They had virtually abandoned the legacy laid down to them from Greece, Sumeria, Babylon, and others.

Meanwhile, the Islamic conquest was taking hold in the Middle East. After Northern European tribes had defeated Rome, leaving Constantinople behind, Arab conquests took control of North Africa, Egypt, and Mesopotamia. While Europe languished in the Dark Ages, the Islamic Empire created the greatest civilization of the time. It imported the ideas from Rome and Greece and the old Persian culture. It didn't have to start from scratch, just like Rome and Athens never started from scratch. There is a reason Mali is often cited as one of the few examples of Sub-Saharan civilization - the adoption of Islam, brought there by Muslim Berber and Tuareg merchants. Islam also spread in the region by the founders of Sufi brotherhoods. Even then, because of the (sub-saharan) African lack of emphasis on the written word, events were recorded only by outside muslims introducing the religion. With this came Islamic manuscripts. However, while the North, West and East coasts (esp the Horn of Africa) benefitted from contact with muslim traders (mostly Arabs), the interior's population were still largely nomadic and isolated, with no real need/motivation to advance themselves.

Meanwhile, Alexandria was arguably the greatest center of intellectual thought. The Byzantines had the rest of the Great Library effectively destroyed, previously (because the church in Constantinople viewed science as heretical to Christianity). Thus Alexandria passed to yet another culture. This sparked intellectual growth in the Arabic Empire. Among other things, Al Gebra was invented there. "Algebra" as it's known today still possesses its Arabic name. The modern checking and banking system was established there, whereby Islamic traders would establish their presence in Africa and China. The number system was also established there. The numbers we use today "1, 2, 3, 4..." are called "Arabic numerals" as they were invented and used by Arabic traders.

Why was the Arabic Empire so successful? Because it was diverse and open. It connected with other cultures. Paper money was invented by the Chinese and the Arabs quickly imported this concept. The word "Check" comes from the Arabic word "cheque/cheq" since Arabic traders couldn't afford to bring gold with them on trading excursions, since they might be robbed.

After Europe opened itself back up to diversity and knowledge, after the Arabs had been defeated by Ottomans, who brought guns and cannons to Europe, the resulting period became known as the "Renaissance." The Renaissance (And you can read the work of historian Gavin Menzies on this) was largely funded by Chinese and Arabic capital. The Arabs had economic interests in Venice. However, the Spanish, Dutch, and Portuguese tried to find new routes of trade to China because. But the Arabic empire controlled a monopoly on most of the trade routes, so they could sell their products to Europe for higher prices because they viewed Europe as a new market for profit.

In the process, European explorers "discovered" the Americas. Once the Europeans started to colonize these areas, they brought in more capital--and the "Cold War" between the Arabic Empire and the European kingdoms was broken because the Arabs couldn't compete financially as Europeans had reached new markets. Thus, civilization started to return to Europe as the Middle East slunk into a Dark Age (that lasts today) and the Middle East and Europe traded places.


And that's the best summary as any that can be given for why Africans were always behind. They just weren't subject to the factors that made Indo-Europe and the Middle East great. As you can see, in the Old World, knowledge was shared and passed between peoples.

This was all thanks to the Phoenician, Sumerian, and Babylonian writing systems. The modern writing system we use today comes from Phoenician. Greeks developed their writing system centuries later to model the Phoenician system, and from the Greek and Phoenician alphabets emerged today's "Latin Alphabet" of the characters "A, B, C, D,..." and so on.

But no such writing system existed in Africa. Africans couldn't trade or exchange ideas because there was no writing system.


Thus, if you don't have the time to read the above summary, it boils down to six things.
SUMMARY: Trade, proximity, free-thought, diversity, trade routes, and written "PHONETIC" language from the Middle east helped the Old World become great.

Africans only had themselves, while Mesopotamia, being conveniently located in a "fertile crescent" surpassed them on all counts. Mesopotamia was also conveniently located within proximity to the Nile culture, as well as the Indus river valley (the Harappan civilization and Mohenjo Daro). Though, the Nile culture wouldn't exist for sometime after.

Anyway, thanks for your time. I realize this board isn't scientifically or intellectually inclined, and is instead nationalistically inclined, but I hopefully wasn't hurting anyone by stating facts.
Hopefully, there will be sensible responses.



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13 Aug 2014, 5:12 am

In a nutshell due to several things in concurrence;

1.) Tribalism is still very much alive and well in Africa, not unlike it was a couple hundred years ago in Ireland and Scotland.

2.)Despotism/and Nepotism, which again is usually tribally based. Remember when Mobutu used funds given to him for developing Congo's infrastrcture to build a modern, 8 lane expressway in Kinshasa from the Capitol building to his house? --Which by the way, his motorcade was the only thing allowed on it.

3.) Entrenched corruption.See above, but also, instead of developing their own technologies and own businessess, The people in control of Africa find it more profitable in the short term to hire outside contractors from more developed countries to extract the rescources of their countries. -- In short, they are greedy and only concerned for themselves, their families, and larger clans, not the common good of all people in their countries.


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13 Aug 2014, 8:38 am

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