Should Herman Cain be prosecuted under the Mann Act?

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Should Herman Cain be prosecuted for violating the Mann Act?
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06 Dec 2011, 12:02 am

I don't know if he should be prosecuted or not, but it won't happen because that would create a really bad precedent for all the other prosecutors and lawyers that have ever done the exact same thing.


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06 Dec 2011, 2:19 am

blauSamstag wrote:
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Still, the Law is the Law, and no-one can deny that Mr. Cain violated the Law.


How could he have violated the law when there is evidence to suggest that the affair didn't even take place to begin with.

Someone undergoing chemo like that isn't likely to be able to have an affair, much less if they've had surgery on top of the chemo.


Dude, do you know anybody who has had cancer?

The chemo increases the probability that they would have an affair. The emotional and psychological pressure is tremendous. People eject spouses from their lives over it.


Typically the one having the affair isn't the one undergoing chemo, seriously I highly doubt Herman Cain would have been able to have an affair between the chemo, the surgeries, etc.



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06 Dec 2011, 4:16 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Typically the one having the affair isn't the one undergoing chemo, seriously I highly doubt Herman Cain would have been able to have an affair between the chemo, the surgeries, etc.


You're the sex expert now? Unless the chemo made his dick fall off, I can guarantee you he was still thinking about getting laid.

And no, he shouldn't be prosecuted. Only a democratic president could be prosecuted for something silly like this.

And I feel cheated that the focus never got back around to his 999 plan so it could resume getting ripped to shreds. I was looking forward to that



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06 Dec 2011, 8:55 am

Inuyasha wrote:

Typically the one having the affair isn't the one undergoing chemo, seriously I highly doubt Herman Cain would have been able to have an affair between the chemo, the surgeries, etc.


So now you're accusing Mrs. Cain of adultery. You're way out of line.



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06 Dec 2011, 9:11 am

So Cain was Gingrich in revese- instead of cheating on his spouse when his spouse was hospital bound- he did the cheating when he himself was in iC!

Its possible he did it I suppose.

What matters is whats legile, not whats moral....except whats moral does matter when they get around to actually enforcing laws.

Assuming he did what hes a accused of- he could theoretically be charged under tha mann act, but millons of aliens work in the US without green cards, and tens of millions of Americans smoke pot every week, and none of these lawbreakers get hassled by law enforcement.
Some laws just dont get enforced unless theres a moral political decision being made by society to enforce them.

And (about the Mann act itsself) as someone pointed out there is sex tourism. So this is the kind of law breaking thats not likely to be enforced upon.

Also- wouldnt the statute of limitations apply? This all happened some years ago.

Imagine if during the campain of '92 if Bill and Hillary had suddenly been busted for having smoked pot decades earlier in collage. It wouldve looked suspiciously like Herbert Walker Bush was secretly pressuring the Justice Department to selectively prosecute the Democratic frontrunner ( and it wouldve been past the statute of limitations anyway).



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06 Dec 2011, 10:57 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Assuming he did what hes a accused of- he could theoretically be charged under tha mann act, but millons of aliens work in the US without green cards, and tens of millions of Americans smoke pot every week, and none of these lawbreakers get hassled by law enforcement.


Well, some of them get hassled by law enforcement. I think that most of the occupants of our penitentiaries are there for having been found in violation of narcotics laws.

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Some laws just dont get enforced unless theres a moral political decision being made by society to enforce them.


Perhaps. However, Herman Cain is a serial molester, a groper, an adulterer, a philanderer, and a pervert. A few years in a penitentiary would certainly do him a world of good.

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And (about the Mann act itsself) as someone pointed out there is sex tourism. So this is the kind of law breaking thats not likely to be enforced upon.

If I were to go to Nevada, where prostitution and adultery are both legal, and hire a prostitute, then I would not be in violation of the Mann Act. If I were to bring another person with me, with the intention of the other person engaging in sexual acts that would be illegal in his home state, then I would be in violation of the Mann Act.

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Also- wouldnt the statute of limitations apply? This all happened some years ago.

Herman broke off his affair with Ginger just before entering the presidential race. That was recent enough.



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06 Dec 2011, 11:03 am

Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Still, the Law is the Law, and no-one can deny that Mr. Cain violated the Law.


How could he have violated the law when there is evidence to suggest that the affair didn't even take place to begin with.

Someone undergoing chemo like that isn't likely to be able to have an affair, much less if they've had surgery on top of the chemo.


Dude, do you know anybody who has had cancer?

The chemo increases the probability that they would have an affair. The emotional and psychological pressure is tremendous. People eject spouses from their lives over it.


Typically the one having the affair isn't the one undergoing chemo, seriously I highly doubt Herman Cain would have been able to have an affair between the chemo, the surgeries, etc.


Plus, we haven't even considered the kind of life-changing (as in clean-up-your-life) effects such near-death experiences often have on people. I would surmise that few Christians recover from a long Stage IV cancer ordeal -- a "deathbed" type situation -- and then say, "Okay, now back to lying to my wife and continuing my extra-marital affair! Sorry I'm going to break all those recent promises, God!" I mean, look at that type of situation realistically in your mind's eye before you judge; even Aspies can do this, even though it involves some social analysis and prediction.


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06 Dec 2011, 11:43 am

Pretending to be a Christian does not excuse sex crimes.



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06 Dec 2011, 11:54 am

pandabear wrote:
Pretending to be a Christian does not excuse sex crimes.


What's funny about this is that I'll bet sex crimes are actually okay in your book. :lol:

It's such fancy dress when liberals don Puritan bonnets.


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06 Dec 2011, 12:19 pm

From the Christian play book

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Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Whether you look at the Bible, or Georgia State Law, or the Mann Act, Herman Cain is a sexual offender and a criminal.



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06 Dec 2011, 12:43 pm

pandabear wrote:
From the Christian play book

Matthew 5 wrote:
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Whether you look at the Bible, or Georgia State Law, or the Mann Act, Herman Cain is a sexual offender and a criminal.


I think it is unconscionable to be accused of sexual crimes. I don't know how people who are accused of such can live with themselves. The courts waste so much time and money trying such cases, when all the legal system needs to do is jail all those horribly-accused people!


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06 Dec 2011, 1:36 pm

The more cognizant question is whether Panda should be prosecuted under the spam act.


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06 Dec 2011, 1:47 pm

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The more cognizant question is whether Panda should be prosecuted under the spam act.


I suppose that you could try.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003

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The CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (15 U.S.C. 7701, et seq., Public Law No. 108-187, was S.877 of the 108th United States Congress), signed into law by President George W. Bush on December 16, 2003, establishes the United States' first national standards for the sending of commercial e-mail and requires the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to enforce its provisions. The acronym CAN-SPAM derives from the bill's full name: Controlling the Assault of Non-Solicited Pornography And Marketing Act of 2003. This is also a play on the usual term for unsolicited email of this type, spam. The bill was sponsored in Congress by Senators Conrad Burns and Ron Wyden.

The CAN-SPAM Act is occasionally referred to as the "You-Can-Spam" Act because while the bill does not explicitly legitimize e-mail spam, it preempts laws that allowed for (among other things) easier prosecution and rights to private action. In particular, it does not require e-mailers to get permission before they send marketing messages. It also prevents states from enacting stronger anti-spam protections, and prohibits individuals who receive spam from suing spammers. The Act has been largely unenforced, despite a letter to the FTC from Senator Burns, who noted that "Enforcement is key regarding the CAN-SPAM legislation." In January 2004, the month the law went into effect, less than 1% of spam complied with the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003.


It doesn't look like you would get very far, though.



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06 Dec 2011, 2:03 pm

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It doesn't look like you would get very far, though.


About as far as you'd get with your Mann act prosecution. Now change the words prosecuted and act to moderated and rule, and my chances start looking a bit better.


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06 Dec 2011, 2:17 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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It doesn't look like you would get very far, though.


About as far as you'd get with your Mann act prosecution. Now change the words prosecuted and act to moderated and rule, and my chances start looking a bit better.


You're a clever lawyer indeed.



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06 Dec 2011, 2:52 pm

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You're a clever lawyer indeed.


Actually, I'm related to clever lawyers, though the jargon and construction tends to be contagious.


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