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07 Dec 2011, 12:10 am

Is birth control a sin and wrong ? Is sex only for procreation ? Is birth control like abortion ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control



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07 Dec 2011, 12:26 am

No.
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07 Dec 2011, 12:44 am

Do we want to discuss the tale of Onan? Because I love explaining to christians - especially catholics - that Onan was killed not for wasting sperm but for being an as*hole to someone he had stewardship over. And further that the tale of Onan implies both that prostitution is A-OK and that the one form of birth control that the catholic church doesn't have a problem with is the one form of birth control Onan used.



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07 Dec 2011, 1:22 am

LKL wrote:
No.
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07 Dec 2011, 1:28 am

I don't know...I suppose if we don't use birth control, we could find some more places to cram humans on the planet. Maybe we can dig some subterranean cities and shove them down there?


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07 Dec 2011, 3:11 am

blauSamstag wrote:
Do we want to discuss the tale of Onan? Because I love explaining to christians - especially catholics - that Onan was killed not for wasting sperm but for being an as*hole to someone he had stewardship over. And further that the tale of Onan implies both that prostitution is A-OK and that the one form of birth control that the catholic church doesn't have a problem with is the one form of birth control Onan used.


What about Islam?

I think the OP is trying to convert to Islam or something.



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07 Dec 2011, 3:56 am

Sin as in A/C?



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07 Dec 2011, 6:39 am

mikecartwright wrote:
Is birth control a sin and wrong ? Is sex only for procreation ? Is birth control like abortion ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control



No.....procreation is.

Both birth control and abortion (at any time, for any reason....punch a late-term fetus for Jesus :D )....are gifts from the Ancient Ones who rightfully want nothing more than to see even the memory of humankind's existence wiped from the cosmos.


Just a friendly reminder from your local anti-natalist misanthrope. :wink:


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07 Dec 2011, 7:41 am

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07 Dec 2011, 8:37 am

blauSamstag wrote:
Do we want to discuss the tale of Onan? Because I love explaining to christians - especially catholics - that Onan was killed not for wasting sperm but for being an as*hole to someone he had stewardship over. And further that the tale of Onan implies both that prostitution is A-OK and that the one form of birth control that the catholic church doesn't have a problem with is the one form of birth control Onan used.

Onan's sin was tantamount to attempted murder. In those days, the Hebrews (Onan was just a step or two down from the patriarchs) didn't have the same concept of the afterlife that the Jews of Jesus' time and later Christians had. For them, the extinction of a male bloodline meant the complete and total death and non-existence of that person, so it was important that his name lived on after him. What Onan did highly dishonorable not merely to himself, but to his brother who did not produce children with Tamar. In the context of that day and time, Onan just as well tried to posthumously kill him.

It's not a thumbs-up for prostitution, btw. I don't know where you get that idea. What Tamar did was deceitful and wrong. It also shows the fallibility of the patriarchs, especially since Judah had a taste for prostitutes (yeah, like we're supposed to believe that was the first time he ever did that?). In the end, however, he got what he deserved. The Bible doesn't ever endorse prostitution. But the Bible doesn't whitewash the facts, either. If someone had carnal knowledge of a prostitute (or someone posing as one), the Bible simply and plainly mentions that it happened. It's like if you watch the evening news or read the paper and there's a report of a burglary or a murder, would you infer that the newspaper or news program is endorsing burglary or murder?



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07 Dec 2011, 8:59 am

Horus wrote:
mikecartwright wrote:
Is birth control a sin and wrong ? Is sex only for procreation ? Is birth control like abortion ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control



No.....procreation is.

Both birth control and abortion (at any time, for any reason....punch a late-term fetus for Jesus :D )....are gifts from the Ancient Ones who rightfully want nothing more than to see even the memory of humankind's existence wiped from the cosmos.


Just a friendly reminder from your local anti-natalist misanthrope. :wink:


Horus! You're back. :D


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07 Dec 2011, 9:36 am

I don't think birth control is a sin. But neither do I think that for Christians it's really the best option. In most religions, the single best way of ensuring the continuation of the faith is to have children and teach them the scriptures. Children are most likely to be receptive to the tenets of any faith if they start learning at a young age and see the same faith lived out in their parents' lives. It is not quite so easy to get someone to convert later in life, though it does often happen.



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07 Dec 2011, 9:41 am

mikecartwright wrote:
Is birth control a sin and wrong ? Is sex only for procreation ? Is birth control like abortion ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control


No. No.No. No.

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07 Dec 2011, 11:58 am

AngelRho wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Do we want to discuss the tale of Onan? Because I love explaining to christians - especially catholics - that Onan was killed not for wasting sperm but for being an as*hole to someone he had stewardship over. And further that the tale of Onan implies both that prostitution is A-OK and that the one form of birth control that the catholic church doesn't have a problem with is the one form of birth control Onan used.

Onan's sin was tantamount to attempted murder. In those days, the Hebrews (Onan was just a step or two down from the patriarchs) didn't have the same concept of the afterlife that the Jews of Jesus' time and later Christians had. For them, the extinction of a male bloodline meant the complete and total death and non-existence of that person, so it was important that his name lived on after him. What Onan did highly dishonorable not merely to himself, but to his brother who did not produce children with Tamar. In the context of that day and time, Onan just as well tried to posthumously kill him.


That's just the legal aspect of Onan's sin. The social aspect is that he used his brother's widow for sex but didn't give her children.

And in some versions of that tale, say in jewish scripture, he was struck down by his in-laws, not by God.



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07 Dec 2011, 12:03 pm

ruveyn wrote:
No. No.No. No.

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What he said.


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07 Dec 2011, 12:08 pm

Yes. Yes. Yes.
(If you're Catholic)
Otherwise, no.