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09 Dec 2011, 12:15 pm

I feel sorry for mistreated and abused animals, also environmental degradation, but not even remotely for humans.

Once i silenced someone's whining about those poor, poor brats in Africa with the remark that i've nothing to do with their existence and she might complain at their parents and leave me alone. They are as less my problem as any other human crap.



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09 Dec 2011, 1:07 pm

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Such as its illegal to use a fake address for employment...


Vagrancy is also illegal, so I suppose it's the lesser of two "evils" that the guy had to choose from. In my experience, most homeless people don't have ethical standards that high.

I also doubt most people know that it's illegal to use a fake address for employment. He could have things mailed as John Smith, c/o Jack Jones, 123 Main Street, as an example. Using c/o or simply stating that it's your "mailing address" would be fine I think. Especially considering that the person has offered to allow you to use it as a mailing address. I wouldn't think employers would be too specific about where your residence is, except to make sure that you don't live too far away so as to cause problems getting to work. The only time I would think it matters is if you would be handling items that are at risk of theft, ie; cash, or if they are going to give you a company car or cell phone so they will know where to get that back from you if you take off with it.

The answer "I'm staying with a friend right now, looking for a place, but this is my mailing address" would work fine.

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09 Dec 2011, 1:16 pm

I'm always feeling sorry for people. Even though people make me anxious, I still get guilty feelings. Except for people who I truley hate.


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09 Dec 2011, 1:57 pm

One thing I would like to clarify though. When I feel sorry for someone, it's usually more of an intellectual thing, rather than an emotional thing. I don't normally feel emotional pain for them, or guilt. It's a thought process usually.

If I had done something to cause their situation or hurt them, or if they were close to me and I cared about them, it would cause me emotional pain and/or guilt. If it's an acquaintance or if it's someone I hear of on the news or from someone else, I "feel bad for them" as in "I'd like it if their situation wasn't like that" but I don't actuall "feel" anything about it. It doesn't make me sad, but it does make me wish that they weren't going through that. If it's someone I care about, the sadness, emotional pain, or if I have in some way caused or failed to prevent the situation, guilt, is overwhelming.

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09 Dec 2011, 5:56 pm

I feel too much sympathy.
When I feel it I get deeply depressed and it is very emotional for me.

I feel sorry for junkies,animals,homeless people and everyone else that is less fortunate.
I know that a junkie is to blame for their situation but There is still a reason to feel bad for them.
They are destroying themselves and have an addiction and this deserves sympathy.
It is hard for me to understand how people can not feel sympathy for them.


I also feel really bad when I hurt someone's feelings and I hate myself for it for a very long time.

Are people really taught that feeling sorry for someone is wrong?
I have never heard that idea before. I don't really like it too much.



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09 Dec 2011, 5:58 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
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Such as its illegal to use a fake address for employment...


Vagrancy is also illegal, so I suppose it's the lesser of two "evils" that the guy had to choose from. In my experience, most homeless people don't have ethical standards that high.

I also doubt most people know that it's illegal to use a fake address for employment. He could have things mailed as John Smith, c/o Jack Jones, 123 Main Street, as an example. Using c/o or simply stating that it's your "mailing address" would be fine I think. Especially considering that the person has offered to allow you to use it as a mailing address. I wouldn't think employers would be too specific about where your residence is, except to make sure that you don't live too far away so as to cause problems getting to work. The only time I would think it matters is if you would be handling items that are at risk of theft, ie; cash, or if they are going to give you a company car or cell phone so they will know where to get that back from you if you take off with it.

The answer "I'm staying with a friend right now, looking for a place, but this is my mailing address" would work fine.

Frances


It was just an idea, some people are paranoid about things like that, and what exactly is vagrancy?


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09 Dec 2011, 6:14 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:

Such as its illegal to use a fake address for employment...


Vagrancy is also illegal, so I suppose it's the lesser of two "evils" that the guy had to choose from. In my experience, most homeless people don't have ethical standards that high.

I also doubt most people know that it's illegal to use a fake address for employment. He could have things mailed as John Smith, c/o Jack Jones, 123 Main Street, as an example. Using c/o or simply stating that it's your "mailing address" would be fine I think. Especially considering that the person has offered to allow you to use it as a mailing address. I wouldn't think employers would be too specific about where your residence is, except to make sure that you don't live too far away so as to cause problems getting to work. The only time I would think it matters is if you would be handling items that are at risk of theft, ie; cash, or if they are going to give you a company car or cell phone so they will know where to get that back from you if you take off with it.

The answer "I'm staying with a friend right now, looking for a place, but this is my mailing address" would work fine.

Frances


It was just an idea, some people are paranoid about things like that, and what exactly is vagrancy?


Vagrancy is sleeping on the street, or in a park, or in your car. It's not sleeping at a homeless shelter, so being homeless itself isn't illegal. Although if he were at a shelter, then they would allow him to use their address as his for employment. They want people to find jobs, so they would be happy to help with that.

It's also illegal in many places to beg for money or panhandle or stand there with a sign or play guitar with an open case in front of you etc. Not everywhere, but many places. Loitering is illegal too, and that is just standing or sitting in a public area other than in a park during the hours the park is open. Like standing on a corner for hours, or hanging out in a parking lot.

They pick and choose where and when to enforce things though. When I was about 21 or so, my friends and I used to hang out in this one parking lot for hours. It was a K Mart parking lot and we all parked in the side lot and turned on our car stereos and drank wine coolers. Sometimes somebody played an acoustic guitar. Sometimes the boys smoked joints in this one guys pickup truck. The cops never bothered us though. Then again, that might be because one of the boys who was in the group was about 25 an actually on the police force. He wasn't one smoking pot in the other guys truck but he didn't care that his friends did it. He also didn't care that we weren't supposed to drink alcohol in public either, because he drank a lot. His gf didn't drink much at all and so she always drove them home.

Homeless folks get more harrassment from cops than others, or those who appear homeless do, anyway. If someone is, or looks homeless, they are more likely to get bugged by the cops. Thats because having lots of homeless people hanging around on the sidewalk or in parking lots is bad for business in the business district and in residential areas, homeowners don't want them around. They usually stay in areas around the mission if they don't sleep there, or in industrial areas.

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09 Dec 2011, 6:19 pm

I feel sorry for homeless people, people who have medical conditions like Body Odor (As most likely they clean themselves better than a person who doesn't have BO, and yet they get thrown under the bus as dirty, poor hygiene, etc.),

NTs who are forever alone, Aspies who are forever alone (I consider myself one of the "Forever alone" types, so I'm not bashing).

Nice, friendly, hard working people who are unemployed due to this lousy economy.

People who have serious illness or medical condition and don't have healthcare.



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11 Dec 2011, 1:08 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:

Such as its illegal to use a fake address for employment...


Vagrancy is also illegal, so I suppose it's the lesser of two "evils" that the guy had to choose from. In my experience, most homeless people don't have ethical standards that high.

I also doubt most people know that it's illegal to use a fake address for employment. He could have things mailed as John Smith, c/o Jack Jones, 123 Main Street, as an example. Using c/o or simply stating that it's your "mailing address" would be fine I think. Especially considering that the person has offered to allow you to use it as a mailing address. I wouldn't think employers would be too specific about where your residence is, except to make sure that you don't live too far away so as to cause problems getting to work. The only time I would think it matters is if you would be handling items that are at risk of theft, ie; cash, or if they are going to give you a company car or cell phone so they will know where to get that back from you if you take off with it.

The answer "I'm staying with a friend right now, looking for a place, but this is my mailing address" would work fine.

Frances


It was just an idea, some people are paranoid about things like that, and what exactly is vagrancy?


Vagrancy is sleeping on the street, or in a park, or in your car. It's not sleeping at a homeless shelter, so being homeless itself isn't illegal. Although if he were at a shelter, then they would allow him to use their address as his for employment. They want people to find jobs, so they would be happy to help with that.

It's also illegal in many places to beg for money or panhandle or stand there with a sign or play guitar with an open case in front of you etc. Not everywhere, but many places. Loitering is illegal too, and that is just standing or sitting in a public area other than in a park during the hours the park is open. Like standing on a corner for hours, or hanging out in a parking lot.

They pick and choose where and when to enforce things though. When I was about 21 or so, my friends and I used to hang out in this one parking lot for hours. It was a K Mart parking lot and we all parked in the side lot and turned on our car stereos and drank wine coolers. Sometimes somebody played an acoustic guitar. Sometimes the boys smoked joints in this one guys pickup truck. The cops never bothered us though. Then again, that might be because one of the boys who was in the group was about 25 an actually on the police force. He wasn't one smoking pot in the other guys truck but he didn't care that his friends did it. He also didn't care that we weren't supposed to drink alcohol in public either, because he drank a lot. His gf didn't drink much at all and so she always drove them home.

Homeless folks get more harrassment from cops than others, or those who appear homeless do, anyway. If someone is, or looks homeless, they are more likely to get bugged by the cops. Thats because having lots of homeless people hanging around on the sidewalk or in parking lots is bad for business in the business district and in residential areas, homeowners don't want them around. They usually stay in areas around the mission if they don't sleep there, or in industrial areas.

Frances


This is just one of the reasons our modern society sucks. I don't blame the homeless for not wanting to sleep in a shelter every single night. I think everyone should have a right to peace and privacy even if they can't pay for their own place to stay. Anti-vagrancy laws are cruel and demeaning. I can see if people are congregating and making disruptive noise, littering, or damaging property, but simply hanging out smoking, drinking, or sleeping when there's nobody else around shouldn't be a crime. I also see nothing wrong with passive panhandling.



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11 Dec 2011, 2:47 am

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I'm always feeling sorry for people. Even though people make me anxious, I still get guilty feelings. Except for people who I truley hate.


with a very caring heart i feel sorry for the people I hate because of the sercomestances (Sp) that made them the way they are to do such cruel things to me to make me hate them. (i only hate a person if theyve derliberately hurt me in a very sevear way).



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11 Dec 2011, 2:54 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:

Such as its illegal to use a fake address for employment...


Vagrancy is also illegal, so I suppose it's the lesser of two "evils" that the guy had to choose from. In my experience, most homeless people don't have ethical standards that high.

I also doubt most people know that it's illegal to use a fake address for employment. He could have things mailed as John Smith, c/o Jack Jones, 123 Main Street, as an example. Using c/o or simply stating that it's your "mailing address" would be fine I think. Especially considering that the person has offered to allow you to use it as a mailing address. I wouldn't think employers would be too specific about where your residence is, except to make sure that you don't live too far away so as to cause problems getting to work. The only time I would think it matters is if you would be handling items that are at risk of theft, ie; cash, or if they are going to give you a company car or cell phone so they will know where to get that back from you if you take off with it.

The answer "I'm staying with a friend right now, looking for a place, but this is my mailing address" would work fine.

Frances


It was just an idea, some people are paranoid about things like that, and what exactly is vagrancy?


Vagrancy is sleeping on the street, or in a park, or in your car. It's not sleeping at a homeless shelter, so being homeless itself isn't illegal. Although if he were at a shelter, then they would allow him to use their address as his for employment. They want people to find jobs, so they would be happy to help with that.

Well sometimes there is not a homeless shelter availible for them to sleep in, so that does not always work.......I don't see why it should be a crime to sleep on the street(provided you're not in the way of cars or pedestrians), park or car especially if you don't exactly have somewhere else to go........but ok now I know what that means. And yes finding a job is a good thing to do, however that should not always be the only focus maybe the homeless person in question has physical or mental health problems that should be adressed first

It's also illegal in many places to beg for money or panhandle or stand there with a sign or play guitar with an open case in front of you etc. Not everywhere, but many places. Loitering is illegal too, and that is just standing or sitting in a public area other than in a park during the hours the park is open. Like standing on a corner for hours, or hanging out in a parking lot.

Yeah I know that there are pleanty of signs to tell people not to do that, though I cannot say I mind the people playing guitar for change, some of them aren't bad at all.

They pick and choose where and when to enforce things though. When I was about 21 or so, my friends and I used to hang out in this one parking lot for hours. It was a K Mart parking lot and we all parked in the side lot and turned on our car stereos and drank wine coolers. Sometimes somebody played an acoustic guitar. Sometimes the boys smoked joints in this one guys pickup truck. The cops never bothered us though. Then again, that might be because one of the boys who was in the group was about 25 an actually on the police force. He wasn't one smoking pot in the other guys truck but he didn't care that his friends did it. He also didn't care that we weren't supposed to drink alcohol in public either, because he drank a lot. His gf didn't drink much at all and so she always drove them home.

Homeless folks get more harrassment from cops than others, or those who appear homeless do, anyway. If someone is, or looks homeless, they are more likely to get bugged by the cops. Thats because having lots of homeless people hanging around on the sidewalk or in parking lots is bad for business in the business district and in residential areas, homeowners don't want them around. They usually stay in areas around the mission if they don't sleep there, or in industrial areas.

Frances


Yeah thats how it is were I live as well, though I would think the cops would get more out of harrasing the people with more money, then again those people can probably afford lawyers and such.


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11 Dec 2011, 6:36 am

I rarely feel sorry for people, and it's considered to be one of my worst traits.
If somebody I know is ill, I automatically think "they're faking it, they're milking it, why is everybody being nice to them"?



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11 Dec 2011, 9:42 am

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I rarely feel sorry for people, and it's considered to be one of my worst traits.
If somebody I know is ill, I automatically think "they're faking it, they're milking it, why is everybody being nice to them"?


no offence but that kinda sounds more like paranoia or jeslousey rather than a lack of sympathy.

I do have one friend who has a lack of both empathy and sympathy, trying to explain either to him is horrible, and he claims hes NT so i give up... But yeah hes a lot the same.. he doesnt actually see the point in either...
I suppose you're the same?



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11 Dec 2011, 5:45 pm

I'm a very sensitive person deep down & I feel really bad for people I know when they are having problems & I tend to go out of my way to help which sometimes causes me to get used. However my mom sometimes says that I am incapable of caring about anyone but myself because I don't act like I care. I sometimes don't even know there is a problem or I tend to block things out if I don't know the people because there is nothing I can do to help & it's kind of a form of self-protection to avoid feeling extremely bad due to being overly sensitive & not blocking thigns out could case me to have lots of problems


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11 Dec 2011, 6:44 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:

Such as its illegal to use a fake address for employment...


Vagrancy is also illegal, so I suppose it's the lesser of two "evils" that the guy had to choose from. In my experience, most homeless people don't have ethical standards that high.

I also doubt most people know that it's illegal to use a fake address for employment. He could have things mailed as John Smith, c/o Jack Jones, 123 Main Street, as an example. Using c/o or simply stating that it's your "mailing address" would be fine I think. Especially considering that the person has offered to allow you to use it as a mailing address. I wouldn't think employers would be too specific about where your residence is, except to make sure that you don't live too far away so as to cause problems getting to work. The only time I would think it matters is if you would be handling items that are at risk of theft, ie; cash, or if they are going to give you a company car or cell phone so they will know where to get that back from you if you take off with it.

The answer "I'm staying with a friend right now, looking for a place, but this is my mailing address" would work fine.

Frances


It was just an idea, some people are paranoid about things like that, and what exactly is vagrancy?


Vagrancy is sleeping on the street, or in a park, or in your car. It's not sleeping at a homeless shelter, so being homeless itself isn't illegal. Although if he were at a shelter, then they would allow him to use their address as his for employment. They want people to find jobs, so they would be happy to help with that.

Well sometimes there is not a homeless shelter availible for them to sleep in, so that does not always work.......I don't see why it should be a crime to sleep on the street(provided you're not in the way of cars or pedestrians), park or car especially if you don't exactly have somewhere else to go........but ok now I know what that means. And yes finding a job is a good thing to do, however that should not always be the only focus maybe the homeless person in question has physical or mental health problems that should be adressed first

It's also illegal in many places to beg for money or panhandle or stand there with a sign or play guitar with an open case in front of you etc. Not everywhere, but many places. Loitering is illegal too, and that is just standing or sitting in a public area other than in a park during the hours the park is open. Like standing on a corner for hours, or hanging out in a parking lot.

Yeah I know that there are pleanty of signs to tell people not to do that, though I cannot say I mind the people playing guitar for change, some of them aren't bad at all.

They pick and choose where and when to enforce things though. When I was about 21 or so, my friends and I used to hang out in this one parking lot for hours. It was a K Mart parking lot and we all parked in the side lot and turned on our car stereos and drank wine coolers. Sometimes somebody played an acoustic guitar. Sometimes the boys smoked joints in this one guys pickup truck. The cops never bothered us though. Then again, that might be because one of the boys who was in the group was about 25 an actually on the police force. He wasn't one smoking pot in the other guys truck but he didn't care that his friends did it. He also didn't care that we weren't supposed to drink alcohol in public either, because he drank a lot. His gf didn't drink much at all and so she always drove them home.

Homeless folks get more harrassment from cops than others, or those who appear homeless do, anyway. If someone is, or looks homeless, they are more likely to get bugged by the cops. Thats because having lots of homeless people hanging around on the sidewalk or in parking lots is bad for business in the business district and in residential areas, homeowners don't want them around. They usually stay in areas around the mission if they don't sleep there, or in industrial areas.

Frances


Yeah thats how it is were I live as well, though I would think the cops would get more out of harrasing the people with more money, then again those people can probably afford lawyers and such.


You'd think attitudes would change during economic hard times. Really, anyone could wind up homeless. My parent's church gives them a place to sleep. Many of them are people who lost their jobs and couldn't pay the rent. People are evicted and kicked out onto the street all the time.



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marshall wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:

Such as its illegal to use a fake address for employment...


Vagrancy is also illegal, so I suppose it's the lesser of two "evils" that the guy had to choose from. In my experience, most homeless people don't have ethical standards that high.

I also doubt most people know that it's illegal to use a fake address for employment. He could have things mailed as John Smith, c/o Jack Jones, 123 Main Street, as an example. Using c/o or simply stating that it's your "mailing address" would be fine I think. Especially considering that the person has offered to allow you to use it as a mailing address. I wouldn't think employers would be too specific about where your residence is, except to make sure that you don't live too far away so as to cause problems getting to work. The only time I would think it matters is if you would be handling items that are at risk of theft, ie; cash, or if they are going to give you a company car or cell phone so they will know where to get that back from you if you take off with it.

The answer "I'm staying with a friend right now, looking for a place, but this is my mailing address" would work fine.

Frances


It was just an idea, some people are paranoid about things like that, and what exactly is vagrancy?


Vagrancy is sleeping on the street, or in a park, or in your car. It's not sleeping at a homeless shelter, so being homeless itself isn't illegal. Although if he were at a shelter, then they would allow him to use their address as his for employment. They want people to find jobs, so they would be happy to help with that.

Well sometimes there is not a homeless shelter availible for them to sleep in, so that does not always work.......I don't see why it should be a crime to sleep on the street(provided you're not in the way of cars or pedestrians), park or car especially if you don't exactly have somewhere else to go........but ok now I know what that means. And yes finding a job is a good thing to do, however that should not always be the only focus maybe the homeless person in question has physical or mental health problems that should be adressed first

It's also illegal in many places to beg for money or panhandle or stand there with a sign or play guitar with an open case in front of you etc. Not everywhere, but many places. Loitering is illegal too, and that is just standing or sitting in a public area other than in a park during the hours the park is open. Like standing on a corner for hours, or hanging out in a parking lot.

Yeah I know that there are pleanty of signs to tell people not to do that, though I cannot say I mind the people playing guitar for change, some of them aren't bad at all.

They pick and choose where and when to enforce things though. When I was about 21 or so, my friends and I used to hang out in this one parking lot for hours. It was a K Mart parking lot and we all parked in the side lot and turned on our car stereos and drank wine coolers. Sometimes somebody played an acoustic guitar. Sometimes the boys smoked joints in this one guys pickup truck. The cops never bothered us though. Then again, that might be because one of the boys who was in the group was about 25 an actually on the police force. He wasn't one smoking pot in the other guys truck but he didn't care that his friends did it. He also didn't care that we weren't supposed to drink alcohol in public either, because he drank a lot. His gf didn't drink much at all and so she always drove them home.

Homeless folks get more harrassment from cops than others, or those who appear homeless do, anyway. If someone is, or looks homeless, they are more likely to get bugged by the cops. Thats because having lots of homeless people hanging around on the sidewalk or in parking lots is bad for business in the business district and in residential areas, homeowners don't want them around. They usually stay in areas around the mission if they don't sleep there, or in industrial areas.

Frances


Yeah thats how it is were I live as well, though I would think the cops would get more out of harrasing the people with more money, then again those people can probably afford lawyers and such.


You'd think attitudes would change during economic hard times. Really, anyone could wind up homeless. My parent's church gives them a place to sleep. Many of them are people who lost their jobs and couldn't pay the rent. People are evicted and kicked out onto the street all the time.


Just to clear sumtin up... in Australia where I am from you could be camped out in the middle of iddley woop woop and and you'd still have an address. it may be lot 50009 Augustest Road NT, Australia but because of the telecom line and its markers theres always a postal address for that area. My dad taught me that when he was working as a road constructor and showed me what the yellow palls with numbers meant. we were 3 hours out of the nearest town.

PS the address is fake made up and NT stands for Northern Territory (which is where im from).