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What's your political ideology?
Property Rights libertarian (Minarchist) 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Property Rights libertarian (Minarchist) 12%  12%  [ 11 ]
Property Rights libertarian (Anarcho-capitalist) 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Property Rights libertarian (Anarcho-capitalist) 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Neoconservative 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Neoconservative 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Paleoconservative 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Paleoconservative 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Red Tory 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Red Tory 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Blue Tory 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Blue Tory 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Socially conservative, economically left-leaning 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Socially conservative, economically left-leaning 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Socially progressive, economically right-leaning 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Socially progressive, economically right-leaning 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Reform-Liberal 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Reform-Liberal 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Social Democrat 9%  9%  [ 8 ]
Social Democrat 13%  13%  [ 12 ]
State Socialism 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
State Socialism 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Communism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Communism 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Left-libertarianism 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Left-libertarianism 10%  10%  [ 9 ]
Don't Know 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Don't Know 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Don't Care 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Don't Care 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Don't Know AND Don't Care 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Don't Know AND Don't Care 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Other (Try to Explain) 6%  6%  [ 6 ]
Other (Try to Explain) 12%  12%  [ 11 ]
Total votes : 93

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27 Dec 2011, 4:10 pm

Hey kids! If you aren't a socialist by the time you are 20 you have no heart. And if you are still a socialist when you are 40 you have no brains.

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27 Dec 2011, 5:41 pm

And if you think clever phrases prove anything you are a fool no matter your age.


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27 Dec 2011, 5:43 pm

Someone's overindulged on the sarsaparilla. ;)



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27 Dec 2011, 7:29 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Hey kids! If you aren't a socialist by the time you are 20 you have no heart. And if you are still a socialist when you are 40 you have no brains.

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Then you must argue that Albert Einstein lost his brains at the age of 40.



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28 Dec 2011, 2:55 am

I fancy myself a social democrat, though I might have accidentally chosen state socialism.

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28 Dec 2011, 3:42 am

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Then you must argue that Albert Einstein lost his brains at the age of 40

A lot of research scientists appear to favour socialism for reasons I am yet to fathom. Yet when debating the issue, it becomes clear they don't have the foggiest idea of what they're talking about. Indeed, this quote of Einstein's demonstrates he does not understand price signals and why central planning cannot possibly cater to the demands of every individual on a macro scale. A brilliant man when it comes to physics, but economics is not his forté.

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A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community



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28 Dec 2011, 3:53 am

Ah... I don't know anymore. Earlier this year, I would have said Libertarian.

"Get the government out of my livingroom" doesn't quite explain it, though.


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28 Dec 2011, 4:28 am

Other, basically all over the map. I advocate strong laws, can not stand wasteful spending, and I think the poor man should have somewhat of a safety net.


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28 Dec 2011, 5:00 am

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Ah... I don't know anymore. Earlier this year, I would have said Libertarian.

"Get the government out of my livingroom" doesn't quite explain it, though.


Maybe you're like me, just using "libertarian" (note the small 'l') as a handle of convenience because repeatedly explaining a whole set of beliefs gets tiresome. I think it's like that for most non-partisans, labels don't tend to fit well if you pick and choose your positions because they're what you believe as opposed to going for the package deal.


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28 Dec 2011, 5:07 am

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Ah... I don't know anymore. Earlier this year, I would have said Libertarian.

"Get the government out of my livingroom" doesn't quite explain it, though.


Maybe you're like me, just using "libertarian" (note the small 'l') as a handle of convenience because repeatedly explaining a whole set of beliefs gets tiresome. I think it's like that for most non-partisans, labels don't tend to fit well if you pick and choose your positions because they're what you believe as opposed to going for the package deal.


Perhaps. It does seem to fit my thought pattern, though some of the extreme Libertarians kind of put me off.


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28 Dec 2011, 7:30 am

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Perhaps. It does seem to fit my thought pattern, though some of the extreme Libertarians kind of put me off.


Yeah, that's the problem with labels, anyone can use them pretty much any way they want. Just about every ideology has it's share of wingnuts, and it's sort of the price of the convenience of a label that you'll have to disassociate yourself from them sometimes in debate. I certainly have been through it a few times, when I showed up here as some guy with anti-government views and an interest in firearms I had to beat back a number of militia accusations from different people. Of course in my case, being articulate and informed and having a black wife help take the wind out of those sails pretty quickly, and it certainly seems to happen less often these days. Libertarianism seems to draw an inordinate amount of guilt by association accusations; you can see this going on in some of the Ron Paul threads right now here in PPR.

You could do what I do and describe yourself as an unorthodox libertarian or a non doctrinaire libertarian; that usually provokes enough of a pause and question that I can explain where I differ from the stereotypes and move on without getting bogged down with the disavowing and such.


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28 Dec 2011, 8:34 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Perhaps. It does seem to fit my thought pattern, though some of the extreme Libertarians kind of put me off.


What about classical liberalism? It can be considered a kind of mild libertarianism.



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28 Dec 2011, 8:46 am

marshall wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Hey kids! If you aren't a socialist by the time you are 20 you have no heart. And if you are still a socialist when you are 40 you have no brains.

ruveyn


Then you must argue that Albert Einstein lost his brains at the age of 40.


Einstein was very naive politically. He was a socialist and a pacifist, but he came to in time to send a letter to FDR encouraging him to work on a nuclear bomb.

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30 Dec 2011, 5:46 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
And if you think clever phrases prove anything you are a fool no matter your age.


"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire


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30 Dec 2011, 5:47 pm

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Vexcalibur wrote:
And if you think clever phrases prove anything you are a fool no matter your age.


"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire


The King of witty sayings.

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30 Dec 2011, 5:51 pm

I sorta think that maybe I would of had more conservative options aside from Neocon, Paleocon, Red Tory, and Blue Tory.


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