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Per statistics from the Decade of the 2000's, provided in thread, serial killings dropped by 300%, in the US. Why?
Lead was removed from the environment, higher overall intelligence and less violent tendencies were inevitable, as a result crime of all types have gone down, dramatically. 9%  9%  [ 2 ]
Law Enforcement became much more efficient, in preventing serial killings. 17%  17%  [ 4 ]
The serial killers have gotten better at hiding their crimes. 22%  22%  [ 5 ]
Who needs to engage in actual serial killing, when an unlimited amount of free porn/violence, is available, with a Google search, to satisfy most any vicarious need. 35%  35%  [ 8 ]
Other. Please comment in thread. 17%  17%  [ 4 ]
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13 Jan 2012, 6:56 pm

Came across this in particpation of another thread, and found it interesting.

If you care to participate in the poll, statistics and information below is available below, to support various opinions.

There was a huge increase in the number of serial killings in the 70's through 90's, and a sudden drop to levels seen before the 70's in the decade of the 2000's.

Per statistics below a 300 percent increase in the 70's and a 300 percent decrease in the 2000's.

I suggest the spike in serial killings was in part due to a woman's greater reproductive control through the pill and abortion, causing potential greater friction in general among genders. Which may have put fuel on the fire for some that might have the propensity for serial killing fueled by anger and hatred against women, by some with psychopathic tendencies.

And suggest that the graphic user interface that became widely available in the 90's was a type of opiate for the masses that contributed to a general decrease in crime rate,starting in the early 90's, continuing today.

Then, as internet usage increased and became widely available after the year 2000, potential serial killer behavior, may have decreased because of the unlimited amount of free vicarious experiences available through the internet in the way of porn/violence, etc.

These are the statistics I found:

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc%20405/Student%20Notes%20-%20Serial%20Killers.pdf

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Serial Killers per Decade

30's-17
40's-21
50's-31
60's-93
70's-295
80's-379
90's-256
00's-82


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

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Violent Crime listed below, along with Homicide, and property crime, per link, all peaked in 1991, and has made a steady decline ever since.

1985-556.6
1987-609.7
1989-663.1
1991-758.2
1993-747.1
1995-684.5
1997-611.0
1999-523.0
2001-504.5
2003-475.8
2005-469.0
2007-472.0
2009-429.4
2010-403.6


http://www.census.gov/hhes/computer/

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Internet usage went from 18% in 1997 to 68.7 percent of households per US census survey.

Home computer usage went from 15% in 1989 to 61.8% in 2003.


I saw where Wiki suggested from sources cited, that the removal of lead from the environment, is the main factor that may have reduced Violent crime rates, and crime rates in general since the early 90's. Along the lines of lead in the environment makes people less intelligent, and more violent. And in addition stronger enforcement of laws. I question that rationale.

The increase in serial killings in the 70's through 90's is amazing as well as the drop off after 2000.

What I know for sure is that society changed alot from the 70's through 90's as far as the change of reproductive control from men to women.

And that household computer usage became popular with the graphic user interface in the early 90's, as reflected in census reports.

I suggest that the advent of the graphic user interface has been a mass opiate for the population that has increased in availability almost in perfect alignment with decreases in crime in the US, starting in the early 90's.

And furthermore, that serial killing, often identified as psychopaths, with a cold hatred, and anger toward women, increased in alignment, in the 70's through the 90's, with the changes in culture aligned with reproductive control, until the internet became widely available after the year 2000, and alternate vicarious methods of unlimited variety, were available to satisfy the dark potential of the human mind.

I doubt there is any less potential for psychopaths, or serial killers in the world, there is a whole new vicarious world to explore, with opportunities, that don't necessarily entail the real world, and real world results.

Who knows. maybe google and it's unlimited supply of all types of every image and video imaginable free to the common vicarious user, with a variety that never ends, is unwittingly participating in saving lives of potential serial killer victims? Ted Bundy, blamed his behavior on pornography, but if he had google.....



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13 Jan 2012, 7:32 pm

I imagine the biggest factor is simply that law enforcement is better at catching murders before they become serial killers. The notoriety of these killers probably makes everybody in general way more vigilant. I'm not sure I buy your internet theory.

It seems like there are way more spree killers now instead

also crime statistics in general is a very political thing, they change them all the time.



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13 Jan 2012, 8:20 pm

Jacoby wrote:
I imagine the biggest factor is simply that law enforcement is better at catching murders before they become serial killers. The notoriety of these killers probably makes everybody in general way more vigilant. I'm not sure I buy your internet theory.

It seems like there are way more spree killers now instead


Interesting point about the spree killers. One known factor of the psychological makeup of serial killers is the need for attention, and it becomes an addiction for some that historically has been known to last for decades.

Spree killing definitely meets that requirement, although I'm not sure those that engage in spree killing would necessarily meet the profile of a typical serial killer, and realize you are not suggesting that either.

To be more specific on my point on the internet. Some enjoy watching women being seriously degraded and violently abused, which is something anyone of any age can find free and easy on the internet now. That's well beyond the threshold though, of what makes a psychopath or serial killer.

I'm suggesting a vicarious addiction could replace the potential of a more dangerous real life addiction. The same thrill of escaping law enforcement can be found on the internet, as well in real life.

Perhaps the internet is also a potential web or a trap for potential serial killers, making them more visible to law enforcement than they would be, if it were not for the internet, as is the case for pedophiles.

A paper trail that never goes away. Where many don't understand how visible they are, to the authorities, when they think they are just another anonymous individual on the internet.

That could be the tool, that law enforcement did not have widely available to them, until after the millineum, with widespread availability of the internet among the general public.



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13 Jan 2012, 8:29 pm

I think society is becoming more aware of psychological issues and people are in general receiving more support.
Why I am in disbelief writing that down.

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I suggest that the advent of the graphic user interface has been a mass opiate for the population

This and other 'opiates', perhaps. People are becoming more passive because of the internet. I don't think it's reproductive control (it has existed in many forms+there was no rise during 'female liberation', was there), man vs woman is as old as the world itself; it's more about sexual frustration, rejection (imho), abuse, mother. Also streets, households are more safe (I suppose), people are more aware, places more crowded. Increase in (childhood) obesity? I wonder how things are going in other countries, willl there be/was a rise?



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13 Jan 2012, 8:45 pm

There are currently over 85,000 active cases of missing person from FBI records, so there is definitely the potential as well, that some are avoiding capture. While the internet provides the potential for authorities to monitor individual internet activity, and capture pedophiles, potential serial killers, spree killers, and terrorists, it also provides an opportunity as well, for all these individuals that they wouldn't normally have for success in their crimes.



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13 Jan 2012, 8:59 pm

aghogday wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I imagine the biggest factor is simply that law enforcement is better at catching murders before they become serial killers. The notoriety of these killers probably makes everybody in general way more vigilant. I'm not sure I buy your internet theory.

It seems like there are way more spree killers now instead


Interesting point about the spree killers. One known factor of the psychological makeup of serial killers is the need for attention, and it becomes an addiction for some that historically has been known to last for decades.

Spree killing definitely meets that requirement, although I'm not sure those that engage in spree killing would necessarily meet the profile of a typical serial killer, and realize you are not suggesting that either.

To be more specific on my point on the internet. Some enjoy watching women being seriously degraded and violently abused, which is something anyone of any age can find free and easy on the internet now. That's well beyond the threshold though, of what makes a psychopath or serial killer.

I'm suggesting a vicarious addiction could replace the potential of a more dangerous real life addiction. The same thrill of escaping law enforcement can be found on the internet, as well in real life.

Perhaps the internet is also a potential web or a trap for potential serial killers, making them more visible to law enforcement than they would be, if it were not for the internet, as is the case for pedophiles.

A paper trail that never goes away. Where many don't understand how visible they are, to the authorities, when they think they are just another anonymous individual on the internet.

That could be the tool, that law enforcement did not have widely available to them, until after the millineum, with widespread availability of the internet among the general public.


A lot of people would think the exposure to these things desensitizes folks to sex and violence, it's an interesting counter-argument saying that it actually provides an outlet to rid those urges. Perhaps there is a little bit of both going on.

I think your second point about the increased visibility on the net is the most salient. We're so interconnected now, it's increasingly harder for somebody with this type of illness to go unnoticed. Harkening back to what I said in my last post, we're A LOT more vigilant when it comes to our safety these days(bordering on paranoia sometimes).



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13 Jan 2012, 9:02 pm

Most violent crime of all types is commited by males aged 20 to 30.

The baby boom started in 1946 and ended in 1964.

So you would expect a long high plateau of violent crime in america to start around 1966, and to last until around 1994.

Not sure of the exact stats but violent crime in general was high in the late sixties, seventies, and eighties, and then went down with the aging of the boomers in the nineties.


So simple demigraphics is part of it.

Even awareness of the presence of a serial killer ( forget about capturing them) is often a matter of hindsight. It may take years of people disappearing before the authorities even know of the presence of a serial killer. So the figures may be skewed downward as you get closer to the present in your stats.



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13 Jan 2012, 9:04 pm

mar00 wrote:
I think society is becoming more aware of psychological issues and people are in general receiving more support.
Why I am in disbelief writing that down.
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I suggest that the advent of the graphic user interface has been a mass opiate for the population

This and other 'opiates', perhaps. People are becoming more passive because of the internet. I don't think it's reproductive control (it has existed in many forms+there was no rise during 'female liberation', was there), man vs woman is as old as the world itself; it's more about sexual frustration, rejection (imho), abuse, mother. Also streets, households are more safe (I suppose), people are more aware, places more crowded. Increase in (childhood) obesity? I wonder how things are going in other countries, willl there be/was a rise?


One thing I may have left out was abortion, another point that was given as a potential reason for an overall decrease in crime in the US starting in the 90's, from Wiki.

I can see how that could have played a role as well, fewer people being born into potential stressful environments. Of which I guess we would see a delayed effect for somewhere around 18 years since 1973, which would equate to 1991, when the rates started dropping of overall crime. I suppose that many individuals start to get into real trouble when they leave high school and attempt to subsist in the real world.

Lots of factors coming together at one time, maybe.

If so, reproductive control in this sense, may influence many factors, beyond the male vs female struggle, and yes, female vs male conflict was at an extreme in the 60's, so one would think a rise in serial killing would have occurred in the 60's, if was strictly a battle between the sexes. On the other hand, it might have taken some time to make the individual ingredients that generate a serial killer.

Society, in general changed alot in the 70's through the 90's, the dramatic increase could have been part of the overall stress of cultural change, that has now been potentially mediated by a number of other factors since the early 90's. Which I agree are likely part of the points your brought up.

It's interesting stuff, to speculate on, I think.



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13 Jan 2012, 10:56 pm

Serial killers all went to reality based tv shows.

Okay I jest, but I did vote other only because I never actually thought about it until you brought it up. Interesting. :)



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13 Jan 2012, 11:22 pm

You forgot CompStat.

Police forces committed themselves to an unsustainable year-over-year decrease in crime rates, and have resorted to falsifying documents to make it look like they succeeded.



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14 Jan 2012, 12:19 am

I could certainly imagine that many basement-dwellers would otherwise be potential serial killers. Technology and more attention to people's mental health are probably the prime factors.



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14 Jan 2012, 12:59 am

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Most violent crime of all types is commited by males aged 20 to 30.

The baby boom started in 1946 and ended in 1964.

So you would expect a long high plateau of violent crime in america to start around 1966, and to last until around 1994.

Not sure of the exact stats but violent crime in general was high in the late sixties, seventies, and eighties, and then went down with the aging of the boomers in the nineties.


So simple demigraphics is part of it.

Even awareness of the presence of a serial killer ( forget about capturing them) is often a matter of hindsight. It may take years of people disappearing before the authorities even know of the presence of a serial killer. So the figures may be skewed downward as you get closer to the present in your stats.


That makes sense; interesting how various factors combine.

The introduction of the pill in 1960, killed the baby boom, per statistical graph from Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S.BirthRate.1909.2003.png

So reproductive control plays a part there. Interestingly even with the legalization of abortion, in '73 birth rates stayed steady as the result of an increase of hispanic immigrants starting in the 70's and started increasing per that immigration change spiking in 1990, and dropping strongly in the decade of the 90's, leveling off since then. Interestingly too, the racial breakdown of the link that I provided for serial killing, reflects this hispanic immigrant differential as well, starting in the 70's.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1191/mexican-immigrants-in-america-largest-group

And one other interesting phenomenon, is the sharp drop of teenage preganancies, and abortion in the 90's. Starting in 1991, mirroring the rise of computer usage and availability in the homes. It is suggested in the article below that while incidences of first experience of sexual activity rose, frequency of sexual activity decreased.

No clear reason was given except for possible changes in values and attitudes towards sex and abstinence.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that computer/video game usage that became widespread in the home in the 90's, may have had an impact.

Back to the opiate suggestion, and the potential that computer usage, and video games, may have reduced the frequency of sexual activity among the teenagers, somewhat, along with the general crime reduction starting in the early 90's. An alternate potentially addictive activity.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/or_teen_preg_decline.html

And speaking of video game/internet addiction, and an opiate connection, a study released a few days ago, provides evidence that it actually changes the structure of the brain similiar to that seen in alcoholism and cocaine use, affecting the actual nerve fiber connections that impact emotional regulation, executive function, and cognitive processing.

But if it potentially reduces the impact of overpopulation, and even possibly crime, it can't be all bad, I guess. It might change the brain, but it won't likely kill one's liver, like the actual potential toxic effect of alcoholism.

It appears neuroplasticity can't be avoided. the environment becomes a lasting part of us whatever it may be.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/12/web-addicts-brain-chemistry-addiction-alcoholics-gamblers_n_1202480.html



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14 Jan 2012, 1:10 am

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You forgot CompStat.

Police forces committed themselves to an unsustainable year-over-year decrease in crime rates, and have resorted to falsifying documents to make it look like they succeeded.


Thanks for bringing that up. It reminds me of the rigorous requirements of probation officer's in my state. I remember the big push toward total quality leadership in the military back in the 80's, it didn't take long to fizzle out, then came Metrics in the 2000's.

Any way to squeeze the blood out of the turnip has become acceptable, at the expense of human beings, and mental health, pretty much society wide.

I that could, definitely be a factor as well.

And no doubt, from the stress of it all, is having some impact as well in keeping birthrates from going up.



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14 Jan 2012, 3:03 am

Legalised abortion was reckoned to be a big reason by Steven Levitt. Roe v Wade was 1973.



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14 Jan 2012, 8:30 am

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The baby boom started in 1946 and ended in 1964.

That makes sense. Another thing I was thinking that maybe their parent's generation was really messed up, this was perhaps a very rapid cultural change at that time as opposite to the period in question as well.
I was wondering if these are the stats of captured killers and what their active period would be. (Because if these are active killers, then perhaps it just shows that a lot of them might be on the loose and previously we had no knowledge of, as mentioned by naturalplastic). I think what's very likely is that the period of their activity should be declining. When I read the stories of, for instance, Gary Ridgway (born 49, active 82-00), he had IQ of, as said, 82 but he did everything just right and it was only the new technology for paint particles that helped to link him. And the police was rather passive (stupid) as well, the way I see it (as with many he was in question but was let go with no surveilance).
Also perhaps at some point information was accelerating this phenomenon when there was only the right amount of it out there.

All in all I doubt that anything had as much impact as this demographic fluctuation. For instance - these days women do have much more power and thus it might result in some frustration of men, such as not being to play the provider, having no control over marriage, overall no being superior as they were all this time. There might be this active hatred to resist radical feminism. Just speculating.

But the abortion argument would be handy to have to argue with pro-lifers.



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14 Jan 2012, 9:06 am

aghogday wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
You forgot CompStat.

Police forces committed themselves to an unsustainable year-over-year decrease in crime rates, and have resorted to falsifying documents to make it look like they succeeded.


Thanks for bringing that up. It reminds me of the rigorous requirements of probation officer's in my state. I remember the big push toward total quality leadership in the military back in the 80's, it didn't take long to fizzle out, then came Metrics in the 2000's.

Any way to squeeze the blood out of the turnip has become acceptable, at the expense of human beings, and mental health, pretty much society wide.

I that could, definitely be a factor as well.

And no doubt, from the stress of it all, is having some impact as well in keeping birthrates from going up.


that the birth rate is low is a brillinant thing in the modern world,
we shouldnt strive towards increasing it or its own sake.


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