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27 Jan 2012, 1:41 am

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Vigilans is called for, to be sure--but not panic.


I agree.

justalouise wrote:
I just moved to Canada! I'm still waiting on my own personal polar bear to arrive in the mail. How long does that usually take, anyway?


It depends... what country or US state are you arriving from? :P

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My aboot's and ey's might be a little rusty but I'd be glad to take that one up or work on my gidday's to go to the *deep* south-west if we have progressives running buckshod over congress for too much longer.

*Hint* - make sure you note what our politicians are doing, don't do it, and reap the benefits of the brain-drain northward hand over fist.


We'll see, Harper is pushing Canada further to the Right, in small increments so people don't really notice. He might as well have his office in Washington, DC imo


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27 Jan 2012, 1:41 am

justalouise wrote:
I just moved to Canada! I'm still waiting on my own personal polar bear to arrive in the mail. How long does that usually take, anyway?


Welcome to the civilised world! I will personal express mail you one of my well bred stock of trained Polar Bears 8)


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27 Jan 2012, 3:55 am

justalouise wrote:
I just moved to Canada! I'm still waiting on my own personal polar bear to arrive in the mail. How long does that usually take, anyway?


Just look at the actions of the Pentagon, it doesn't matter what country someone is in.
Moving to Canada isn't going to change a thing.


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28 Jan 2012, 9:26 am

The Government never supported the Bill of Rights, we never supported them.

Welcome to a long and endless fight.

My daddy he made whisky, his daddy did too,
we ain't paid no whisky tax, since 1792.

They are broke, laying off government workers, the jails are full, and people who lost everything are not going to pay taxes.

100% Tax Cuts for all!

Vote!

The Government cannot abolish the People, but the People can abolish the Government.

Hang around, the fun is just starting.



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28 Jan 2012, 11:02 am

Inventor wrote:
The Government never supported the Bill of Rights, we never supported them.

Welcome to a long and endless fight.

My daddy he made whisky, his daddy did too,
we ain't paid no whisky tax, since 1792.

They are broke, laying off government workers, the jails are full, and people who lost everything are not going to pay taxes.

100% Tax Cuts for all!

Vote!

The Government cannot abolish the People, but the People can abolish the Government.

Hang around, the fun is just starting.


oh boy...LOL!!

My sister refuses to leave and says there are lawsuits getting started to repeal this....I have no choice but watch the sh*t fest.
The whole lot of them should be tried for treason...I dont see that happening.
As far as voting....they all suck. We should all write in Oprah.


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28 Jan 2012, 12:15 pm

I am really confused. I don't get what this is about at all...!



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28 Jan 2012, 12:19 pm

Vigilans wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
My aboot's and ey's might be a little rusty but I'd be glad to take that one up or work on my gidday's to go to the *deep* south-west if we have progressives running buckshod over congress for too much longer.

*Hint* - make sure you note what our politicians are doing, don't do it, and reap the benefits of the brain-drain northward hand over fist.


We'll see, Harper is pushing Canada further to the Right, in small increments so people don't really notice. He might as well have his office in Washington, DC imo

I still think its a big mistake to call such policies right-wing. If Harper's a big-government progressive right type of guy then yeah, not good. Then again big government progressive anything is really more the problem. If you remember with SOPA and PIPA in the US - it didn't look anything like one party trying to ram the bills down the throat of the other.


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04 Feb 2012, 11:52 pm

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Surely we have learned by now that the enactment of legislation is the beginning, not the end of the process. The law is not settled until the Courts have had their say, and you had better believe that there will be deep pockets on both sides of this question lining up the lawyers.

The judicial system in the United States may be imperfect--why should it be any different from any other institution--but it has an admirable track record of stopping the legislative branch in its tracks when it believes the branch to have overreached itself.

The sky is not falling--yet. Vigilence is called for, to be sure--but not panic.


Yeah? Well, I'm in the military and I'm panicking. Lincoln did this during his administration which is why we have an amendment stopping this sort of thing. Problem is, the politicians, judges and lawyers have figured a way around it - they simply ignore it.



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13 Feb 2012, 3:34 am

There were 7 revisions of the bill. The final revision of the Defense Authorization Bill, that the President signed into law has clear language in each section that appear to impose no new significant areas of concern applicable to US citizens, per sections1021 and 1022, that are in question.

Not sure which revision the You Tube Video was referring to, but Bills are usually revised many times to make sure the legal language is clear.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540enr.pdf

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Subtitle D—Counterterrorism
SEC. 1021. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF
THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS
PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY
FORCE.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority of the
President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to
the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40;
50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority for the Armed Forces
of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection
(b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section
is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided
the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001,
or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported
al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged
in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners,
including any person who has committed a belligerent act or
has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy
forces.
(c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The disposition of a
person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may
include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until
the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for
Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States
Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009
(title XVIII of Public Law 111–84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent
tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country
of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
(d) CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section is intended to limit
or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the
Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed
to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of
United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States,
or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United
States.

(f) REQUIREMENT FOR BRIEFINGS OF CONGRESS.—The Secretary
of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application
of the authority described in this section, including the organizations,
entities, and individuals considered to be ‘‘covered persons’’
for purposes of subsection (b)(2).
H. R. 1540—266

SEC. 1022. MILITARY CUSTODY FOR FOREIGN AL-QAEDA TERRORISTS.
(a) CUSTODY PENDING DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in paragraph (4), the
Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described
in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities
authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force
(Public Law 107–40) in military custody pending disposition
under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in paragraph (1)
shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under
section 1021 who is determined—
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an
associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant
to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or
carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the
United States or its coalition partners.
(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—For purposes of this
subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war
has the meaning given in section 1021(c), except that no
transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section
shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section
1028.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.—The President may
waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the President submits
to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is
in the national security interests of the United States.
(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL
RESIDENT ALIENS.—
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain
a person in military custody under this section does not extend
to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain
a person in military custody under this section does not extend
to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis
of conduct taking place within the United States, except to
the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

(c) IMPLEMENTATION PROCEDURES.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 60 days after the date
of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and
submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.
(2) ELEMENTS.—The procedures for implementing this section
shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:
(A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to
make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the
process by which such determinations are to be made.
(B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military
custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the
interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering
with regard to persons not already in the custody
or control of the United States.
(C) Procedures providing that a determination under
subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until
after the conclusion of an interrogation which is ongoing
at the time the determination is made and does not require
the interruption of any such ongoing interrogation.


Not likely this Bill would have passed with the overwhelming majority support it had, if the concerns expressed on the You Tube video were valid.

The ACLU's main concern appears to be foreign detainees. I don't think Fox News would be giving the President a pass on this, if there was any significant additional concerns for US Citizens, in regard to the two sections that have been questioned in this Bill.

Definitely not good news for the foreign detainees it will impact. But, that appears to be what the majority of the senate was able to agree upon to keep the military funded.

Americans lost many civil liberties as a result of 9/11, through new laws that were put into place, that continue to be enforced, associated with the threat of terrorism.

These new laws appear to reinforce and strengthen the existing law as it applies to foreign detainees, but it doesn't appear to impact US citizens, anymore, than if these new laws had not been introduced.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/02/aclu-others-slam-obama-for-signing-defense-bill-that-includes-detainee/



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13 Feb 2012, 9:27 pm

I've been watching Doomsday Preppers.



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15 Feb 2012, 1:38 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I've been watching Doomsday Preppers.


I've never been a Doomsday Prepper, but I can relate to the phenomenon as a Hurricane Prepper for decades since childhood. It was all very exciting, until the little doomsday happened, when the Hurricane finally hit after decades of anticipation. It no longer excites me.

Doomsday Prepping is an exciting Hobby, and people are making a great deal of money off of it. Maybe it's stimulating the economy a little bit, like actual conflict off our soil does. But, the practical value of planning for an unknown disaster, is close to zero, if the disaster one plans for doesn't turnout to be the disaster that happens.

And, the reality of the Doomsday is likely not going to match the anticipated warm and fuzzy feeling of being prepared. At, least that was my experience when the big one, finally hit.

It is very relevant, though, to this topic; the laws instituted are not perfect, but they allow the government, to control the perceived threat to the country through terrorism; the sad reality is, that a large part of that threat is a domestic one. It is the government's method of doomsday prepping, which require changes in law as the government determines appropriate.

The government is a controlled entity with many checks and balances. Perhaps, the biggest check and balance is the politicians; they love themselves too much to be part of anything that might negatively impact their constituents to a degree that will impact them.

That includes the ability to prevent domestic terrorism; it's not a politically correct thing for politicians to talk about, but it is a major threat in most countries, and certainly one the US is not immune to, as evidenced by past events.

And in the sense of Domestic Terrorism, the fear mongering aspect of the Anonymous Phenomenon, is part of free speech, but when it is suggested that the government is out to get us, and people take it seriously, it has the potential to inspire Domestic Terrorism, and result in a self fulfilling prophecy.

It appears this thread is evidence of it; while the fear inspired here by anonymous, could result in the action to get the heck out a potential bad situation, there are those in other areas of the culture that are inspired to fight, and potentially kill, for the perceived loss of more than what is actually lost.

This "Anonymous Fellow" appears to have a Wizard of Oz effect. The face beind the mask is likely not nearly as menacing as the mask. It is evidence though that people are vulnerable to the "Dark Hero Effect".

It goes back to the Hurricane scenario, it is likely very exciting for whomever made the anonymous video, to prep for what they may sincerely think is a real threat from the government, however if it motivates an action, from the public, that negatively impacts them on a personal basis, it won't likely be nearly as exciting anymore.

The internet has made the world a very complex place, it blurs the line of reality.



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01 Mar 2012, 10:53 pm

If you do get a passport to leave the country, it's a good idea to leave the country you entered using your passport without using your passport, as they can't track which country you're in. I wonder if people will start defecting from this country en masse, as people don't want to live here and people don't want to be tracked when and where they leave the country.


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02 Mar 2012, 2:00 pm

Our Masters are wise.
I live to serve them.
The only way is their way.
Research these matters and you will conclude as I have that the only hope for survival is total submission.
Those who resist will be destroyed. The lucky resistors will be killed. Always remember there are MANY fates worse than death.



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02 Mar 2012, 2:38 pm

Yeah and your masters have built holiday scout camps for your entertainment

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4[/youtube]



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02 Mar 2012, 2:43 pm

Lyll wrote:
Yeah and your masters have built holiday scout camps for your entertainment

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4[/youtube]


All I can say is that I can niether confirm nor deny their existence. 8O


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03 Mar 2012, 4:52 am

Umm, I stopped taking this video seriously the minute video started... if a person wants to make a difference, why would their video scream propaganda?

If you would like to explain this to me in clear words without the use of weird imagery or weird voices, please let me know, in the meanwhile, I don't really care.

I am serious, what the hell is about. I didn't watch it because I found it disgusting.