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heavenlyabyss
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28 Feb 2012, 6:49 am

When I was talking about atheists who use their atheism as crutch, I will reiterate that I was kind of twisting words around. But to find strength in atheism is a crutch in a weird sort of way. To find strength in the belief of nothing is sometimes used a way of feeling intellectually superior to others who believe in "nonsense."

I didn't grow up in a religious environment so I am perhaps naive.

But there is more to this world than cold hard facts. Spirituality is important as well. If a person were to only see the cold hard facts all the time, they woud self-destruct in a ball of fire. I'm not sure if that makes sense or not, but people do not understand themselves, they never will.



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28 Feb 2012, 12:44 pm

How does one use "atheism as a crutch". Why do Christians/etc somehow think a non-belief is analogous to their own core values. It does not work that way, heavenlyabyss.


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28 Feb 2012, 1:05 pm

That and I can't remember ever meeting a Christian who said "You know, I'd so much rather believe there wasn't a God and believe in no life hereafter but I just can't find the evidence".


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28 Feb 2012, 3:16 pm

The argument is kind of broken.

You can have a religion and be an atheist.

You can have no religion and be a theist.



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28 Feb 2012, 9:54 pm

Fnord wrote:
He claims that Religion offers consolation, ritual, spirituality that atheists can adopt; and that Religions have been the most successful educational movements.

I can't fathom how religion would offer consolation to atheists. If one disbelieves a religion's tenets, what use is it to a hear a priest say, "There, there, things will be better in the great hereafter." And of what use is "ritual" to me if I don't follow the line of magical thinking that gives the behavior its spiritual effects? I'd rather not spend my Sunday morning taking the Eucharist because the ritual might be "consoling, subtle or just charming." It's none of those to me—just a waste of time for hollow ritual.



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28 Feb 2012, 9:59 pm

TheOddGoat wrote:
You can have a religion and be an atheist.

Buddhism.

TheOddGoat wrote:
You can have no religion and be a theist.

Fnordism.