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15 Mar 2012, 5:50 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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The-Raven wrote:
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The guy in that article looks like a freak of nature. I bet he can't reach his own back with a washcloth because his biceps get in the way. Do women really go for this look? In my opinion, it's the male equivalent of ridiculously large breast implants.


do you mean this image?

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I dont think he looks freaky, I think he looks nice. I like athletic/fit looking men.

But all women like different types so it doesnt matter how you look as someone will like the style you have.


Yes, that's the guy. He looks like a steroid victim. You never see such an extreme muscle development in men who live a perfectly natural, species-appropriate life, such as extant hunter-gatherers. No matter if Masaai warriors, Indigenous Australians or Amazon Indians, they all have a rather slim build without massive biceps. The guy in the photo doesn't look human anymore, imho. I view this kind of body as the male version of Dolly Buster.


I agree, EVERY guy i know in the gym who looks like this is either taking steroids or crazy amount of protein supplements. Even the guys that women THINK of them as "normally athletic", healthy and attractive aren't really healthy at all...

But from the reactions of the two ladies here, and those i see in real life, I can see (yet I wouldn't follow) why they take them, as much as I can see why plenty of women get breast enhancement. They're simply effective in attracting more attention.

Women think that men are fool because they often fail in detecting fake female beauty, weeeeellll, ladies, you are not better at all.....I am seeing it's 100% the same for the women too when it comes to the fake male beauty, I am seeing it all the time.

well i dont agree with you. I trained as a fitness instructor and personal trainer and Ive met and been friends with lots of amateur natural body builders who did not take steroids or eat unhealthy and yet look very much like this chap in the photo. People are very variable in how much muscle they gain, for example i gain muscle really easily and can only do palates or i get far too chunky, where as others are 'hard gainers'.

In my experience of dating skinny men, they ate less than me and often forgot to eat and when pestered by me to eat properly and work out did gain muscle but they could not maintain it as they would not make themselves eat when they were not hungry as they were people with a small appetite, they also were not consistent with their weight lifting. I have the opposite problem of a big appetite and need to not eat when i am hungry, where as skinny men need to eat when they dont feel hungry (if they want to gain muscle).

But as I said before people like different shapes and sizes so I would not worry about it if i were you as someone will like your shape, i had many men interested in me when I was a size 8-10 and when I was a size 24, people have varying tastes.

its not as if the man in the photo looks like Jay Cutler, I could understand what you were saying if he looked like him but he simply doesnt.


Raven, they only tell their male buddies what they really take ;).

think what you like.



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15 Mar 2012, 5:56 pm

The-Raven wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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CrazyCatLord wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
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The guy in that article looks like a freak of nature. I bet he can't reach his own back with a washcloth because his biceps get in the way. Do women really go for this look? In my opinion, it's the male equivalent of ridiculously large breast implants.


do you mean this image?

Image

I dont think he looks freaky, I think he looks nice. I like athletic/fit looking men.

But all women like different types so it doesnt matter how you look as someone will like the style you have.


Yes, that's the guy. He looks like a steroid victim. You never see such an extreme muscle development in men who live a perfectly natural, species-appropriate life, such as extant hunter-gatherers. No matter if Masaai warriors, Indigenous Australians or Amazon Indians, they all have a rather slim build without massive biceps. The guy in the photo doesn't look human anymore, imho. I view this kind of body as the male version of Dolly Buster.


I agree, EVERY guy i know in the gym who looks like this is either taking steroids or crazy amount of protein supplements. Even the guys that women THINK of them as "normally athletic", healthy and attractive aren't really healthy at all...

But from the reactions of the two ladies here, and those i see in real life, I can see (yet I wouldn't follow) why they take them, as much as I can see why plenty of women get breast enhancement. They're simply effective in attracting more attention.

Women think that men are fool because they often fail in detecting fake female beauty, weeeeellll, ladies, you are not better at all.....I am seeing it's 100% the same for the women too when it comes to the fake male beauty, I am seeing it all the time.

well i dont agree with you. I trained as a fitness instructor and personal trainer and Ive met and been friends with lots of amateur natural body builders who did not take steroids or eat unhealthy and yet look very much like this chap in the photo. People are very variable in how much muscle they gain, for example i gain muscle really easily and can only do palates or i get far too chunky, where as others are 'hard gainers'.

In my experience of dating skinny men, they ate less than me and often forgot to eat and when pestered by me to eat properly and work out did gain muscle but they could not maintain it as they would not make themselves eat when they were not hungry as they were people with a small appetite, they also were not consistent with their weight lifting. I have the opposite problem of a big appetite and need to not eat when i am hungry, where as skinny men need to eat when they dont feel hungry (if they want to gain muscle).

But as I said before people like different shapes and sizes so I would not worry about it if i were you as someone will like your shape, i had many men interested in me when I was a size 8-10 and when I was a size 24, people have varying tastes.

its not as if the man in the photo looks like Jay Cutler, I could understand what you were saying if he looked like him but he simply doesnt.


Raven, they only tell their male buddies what they really take ;).

think what you like.


Just shaking you a bit to wake you up, there are a lot of little things that guys tell each other away from girls.

And this is one of them.

Hell, even the huge coach in my gym takes nitrotech. And every huge muscled guy (like the one in the pic) is asking me things like "are you taking proteins? what are you taking? you should take some!".

My male coach ended up taking meds for kidneys, and so other few guys had problems in having stones in kidneys.

However, they NEVER mention these things in front of girls.



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15 Mar 2012, 6:01 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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CrazyCatLord wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
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The guy in that article looks like a freak of nature. I bet he can't reach his own back with a washcloth because his biceps get in the way. Do women really go for this look? In my opinion, it's the male equivalent of ridiculously large breast implants.


do you mean this image?

Image

I dont think he looks freaky, I think he looks nice. I like athletic/fit looking men.

But all women like different types so it doesnt matter how you look as someone will like the style you have.


Yes, that's the guy. He looks like a steroid victim. You never see such an extreme muscle development in men who live a perfectly natural, species-appropriate life, such as extant hunter-gatherers. No matter if Masaai warriors, Indigenous Australians or Amazon Indians, they all have a rather slim build without massive biceps. The guy in the photo doesn't look human anymore, imho. I view this kind of body as the male version of Dolly Buster.


I agree, EVERY guy i know in the gym who looks like this is either taking steroids or crazy amount of protein supplements. Even the guys that women THINK of them as "normally athletic", healthy and attractive aren't really healthy at all...

But from the reactions of the two ladies here, and those i see in real life, I can see (yet I wouldn't follow) why they take them, as much as I can see why plenty of women get breast enhancement. They're simply effective in attracting more attention.

Women think that men are fool because they often fail in detecting fake female beauty, weeeeellll, ladies, you are not better at all.....I am seeing it's 100% the same for the women too when it comes to the fake male beauty, I am seeing it all the time.

well i dont agree with you. I trained as a fitness instructor and personal trainer and Ive met and been friends with lots of amateur natural body builders who did not take steroids or eat unhealthy and yet look very much like this chap in the photo. People are very variable in how much muscle they gain, for example i gain muscle really easily and can only do palates or i get far too chunky, where as others are 'hard gainers'.

In my experience of dating skinny men, they ate less than me and often forgot to eat and when pestered by me to eat properly and work out did gain muscle but they could not maintain it as they would not make themselves eat when they were not hungry as they were people with a small appetite, they also were not consistent with their weight lifting. I have the opposite problem of a big appetite and need to not eat when i am hungry, where as skinny men need to eat when they dont feel hungry (if they want to gain muscle).

But as I said before people like different shapes and sizes so I would not worry about it if i were you as someone will like your shape, i had many men interested in me when I was a size 8-10 and when I was a size 24, people have varying tastes.

its not as if the man in the photo looks like Jay Cutler, I could understand what you were saying if he looked like him but he simply doesnt.


Raven, they only tell their male buddies what they really take ;).

think what you like.


Just shaking you a bit to wake up, there are a lot of little things that guys tell each other away from girls.

And this is one of them.

Hell, even the huge coach in my gym takes nitrotech. And every huge muscled guy (like the one in the pic) is asking me things like "are you taking proteins? what are you taking? you should take some!".

My male coach ended up taking meds for kidneys, and so other few guys had problems in having stones in kidneys.

However, they NEVER mention these things in front of girls.

However Brighton is not Lebanon.



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15 Mar 2012, 6:03 pm

The-Raven wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
The guy in that article looks like a freak of nature. I bet he can't reach his own back with a washcloth because his biceps get in the way. Do women really go for this look? In my opinion, it's the male equivalent of ridiculously large breast implants.


do you mean this image?

Image

I dont think he looks freaky, I think he looks nice. I like athletic/fit looking men.

But all women like different types so it doesnt matter how you look as someone will like the style you have.


Yes, that's the guy. He looks like a steroid victim. You never see such an extreme muscle development in men who live a perfectly natural, species-appropriate life, such as extant hunter-gatherers. No matter if Masaai warriors, Indigenous Australians or Amazon Indians, they all have a rather slim build without massive biceps. The guy in the photo doesn't look human anymore, imho. I view this kind of body as the male version of Dolly Buster.


I agree, EVERY guy i know in the gym who looks like this is either taking steroids or crazy amount of protein supplements. Even the guys that women THINK of them as "normally athletic", healthy and attractive aren't really healthy at all...

But from the reactions of the two ladies here, and those i see in real life, I can see (yet I wouldn't follow) why they take them, as much as I can see why plenty of women get breast enhancement. They're simply effective in attracting more attention.

Women think that men are fool because they often fail in detecting fake female beauty, weeeeellll, ladies, you are not better at all.....I am seeing it's 100% the same for the women too when it comes to the fake male beauty, I am seeing it all the time.

well i dont agree with you. I trained as a fitness instructor and personal trainer and Ive met and been friends with lots of amateur natural body builders who did not take steroids or eat unhealthy and yet look very much like this chap in the photo. People are very variable in how much muscle they gain, for example i gain muscle really easily and can only do palates or i get far too chunky, where as others are 'hard gainers'.

In my experience of dating skinny men, they ate less than me and often forgot to eat and when pestered by me to eat properly and work out did gain muscle but they could not maintain it as they would not make themselves eat when they were not hungry as they were people with a small appetite, they also were not consistent with their weight lifting. I have the opposite problem of a big appetite and need to not eat when i am hungry, where as skinny men need to eat when they dont feel hungry (if they want to gain muscle).

But as I said before people like different shapes and sizes so I would not worry about it if i were you as someone will like your shape, i had many men interested in me when I was a size 8-10 and when I was a size 24, people have varying tastes.

its not as if the man in the photo looks like Jay Cutler, I could understand what you were saying if he looked like him but he simply doesnt.


Raven, they only tell their male buddies what they really take ;).

think what you like.


Just shaking you a bit to wake up, there are a lot of little things that guys tell each other away from girls.

And this is one of them.

Hell, even the huge coach in my gym takes nitrotech. And every huge muscled guy (like the one in the pic) is asking me things like "are you taking proteins? what are you taking? you should take some!".

My male coach ended up taking meds for kidneys, and so other few guys had problems in having stones in kidneys.

However, they NEVER mention these things in front of girls.

However Brighton is not Lebanon.


Yea, because it's the Middle-East that invented these products and made them mainstream among the gym guys (and this huge muscle obsession). / sarcasm.



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15 Mar 2012, 6:05 pm

boo, Ive known so many men really well, Ive trained with them for long periods of time, Ive studied with them. Ive met many men who do take steroids and many men who think you have to eat loads of protein, but they were ignorant chavs and often did not get as good results anyway. And ive met many men who do natural body building and eat healthy and achieve good results, ive even met a number of vegan bodybuilders.

just cos the men in your gym are stupid and unhealthy does not mean all men in all gyms are.



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15 Mar 2012, 6:06 pm

Um, you can usually *totally* tell when someone's juicing.



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15 Mar 2012, 6:06 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
The guy in that article looks like a freak of nature. I bet he can't reach his own back with a washcloth because his biceps get in the way. Do women really go for this look? In my opinion, it's the male equivalent of ridiculously large breast implants.


do you mean this image?

Image

I dont think he looks freaky, I think he looks nice. I like athletic/fit looking men.

But all women like different types so it doesnt matter how you look as someone will like the style you have.


Yes, that's the guy. He looks like a steroid victim. You never see such an extreme muscle development in men who live a perfectly natural, species-appropriate life, such as extant hunter-gatherers. No matter if Masaai warriors, Indigenous Australians or Amazon Indians, they all have a rather slim build without massive biceps. The guy in the photo doesn't look human anymore, imho. I view this kind of body as the male version of Dolly Buster.


I agree, EVERY guy i know in the gym who looks like this is either taking steroids or crazy amount of protein supplements. Even the guys that women THINK of them as "normally athletic", healthy and attractive aren't really healthy at all...

But from the reactions of the two ladies here, and those i see in real life, I can see (yet I wouldn't follow) why they take them, as much as I can see why plenty of women get breast enhancement. They're simply effective in attracting more attention.

Women think that men are fool because they often fail in detecting fake female beauty, weeeeellll, ladies, you are not better at all.....I am seeing it's 100% the same for the women too when it comes to the fake male beauty, I am seeing it all the time.

well i dont agree with you. I trained as a fitness instructor and personal trainer and Ive met and been friends with lots of amateur natural body builders who did not take steroids or eat unhealthy and yet look very much like this chap in the photo. People are very variable in how much muscle they gain, for example i gain muscle really easily and can only do palates or i get far too chunky, where as others are 'hard gainers'.

In my experience of dating skinny men, they ate less than me and often forgot to eat and when pestered by me to eat properly and work out did gain muscle but they could not maintain it as they would not make themselves eat when they were not hungry as they were people with a small appetite, they also were not consistent with their weight lifting. I have the opposite problem of a big appetite and need to not eat when i am hungry, where as skinny men need to eat when they dont feel hungry (if they want to gain muscle).

But as I said before people like different shapes and sizes so I would not worry about it if i were you as someone will like your shape, i had many men interested in me when I was a size 8-10 and when I was a size 24, people have varying tastes.

its not as if the man in the photo looks like Jay Cutler, I could understand what you were saying if he looked like him but he simply doesnt.


Raven, they only tell their male buddies what they really take ;).

think what you like.


Just shaking you a bit to wake up, there are a lot of little things that guys tell each other away from girls.

And this is one of them.

Hell, even the huge coach in my gym takes nitrotech. And every huge muscled guy (like the one in the pic) is asking me things like "are you taking proteins? what are you taking? you should take some!".

My male coach ended up taking meds for kidneys, and so other few guys had problems in having stones in kidneys.

However, they NEVER mention these things in front of girls.

However Brighton is not Lebanon.


Yea, because it's the Middle-East who invented these products and made them mainstream among the gym guys (and this huge muscle obsession). / sarcasm.

I was referring to the not disclosing to girls remarks.



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15 Mar 2012, 6:07 pm

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boo, Ive known so many men really well, Ive trained with them for long periods of time, Ive studied with them. Ive met many men who do take steroids and many men who think you have to eat loads of protein, but they were ignorant chavs and often did not get as good results anyway. And ive met many men who do natural body building and eat healthy and achieve good results, ive even met a number of vegan bodybuilders.

just cos the men in your gym are stupid and unhealthy does not mean all men in all gyms are.


the percentage of stupid to informed is very f*****g wide to be honest. Im with boo on this one. idk if its that they dont tell or just nobody asks.



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15 Mar 2012, 6:09 pm

boo, fitness and bodybuilding has been my interest for 20 years, youve been in a gym for a few months and clearly know more than me, think what you like im not wasting any more time on you.



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15 Mar 2012, 6:36 pm

The-Raven wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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The-Raven wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
The guy in that article looks like a freak of nature. I bet he can't reach his own back with a washcloth because his biceps get in the way. Do women really go for this look? In my opinion, it's the male equivalent of ridiculously large breast implants.


do you mean this image?

Image

I dont think he looks freaky, I think he looks nice. I like athletic/fit looking men.

But all women like different types so it doesnt matter how you look as someone will like the style you have.


Yes, that's the guy. He looks like a steroid victim. You never see such an extreme muscle development in men who live a perfectly natural, species-appropriate life, such as extant hunter-gatherers. No matter if Masaai warriors, Indigenous Australians or Amazon Indians, they all have a rather slim build without massive biceps. The guy in the photo doesn't look human anymore, imho. I view this kind of body as the male version of Dolly Buster.


I agree, EVERY guy i know in the gym who looks like this is either taking steroids or crazy amount of protein supplements. Even the guys that women THINK of them as "normally athletic", healthy and attractive aren't really healthy at all...

But from the reactions of the two ladies here, and those i see in real life, I can see (yet I wouldn't follow) why they take them, as much as I can see why plenty of women get breast enhancement. They're simply effective in attracting more attention.

Women think that men are fool because they often fail in detecting fake female beauty, weeeeellll, ladies, you are not better at all.....I am seeing it's 100% the same for the women too when it comes to the fake male beauty, I am seeing it all the time.

well i dont agree with you. I trained as a fitness instructor and personal trainer and Ive met and been friends with lots of amateur natural body builders who did not take steroids or eat unhealthy and yet look very much like this chap in the photo. People are very variable in how much muscle they gain, for example i gain muscle really easily and can only do palates or i get far too chunky, where as others are 'hard gainers'.

In my experience of dating skinny men, they ate less than me and often forgot to eat and when pestered by me to eat properly and work out did gain muscle but they could not maintain it as they would not make themselves eat when they were not hungry as they were people with a small appetite, they also were not consistent with their weight lifting. I have the opposite problem of a big appetite and need to not eat when i am hungry, where as skinny men need to eat when they dont feel hungry (if they want to gain muscle).

But as I said before people like different shapes and sizes so I would not worry about it if i were you as someone will like your shape, i had many men interested in me when I was a size 8-10 and when I was a size 24, people have varying tastes.

its not as if the man in the photo looks like Jay Cutler, I could understand what you were saying if he looked like him but he simply doesnt.


Raven, they only tell their male buddies what they really take ;).

think what you like.


Just shaking you a bit to wake up, there are a lot of little things that guys tell each other away from girls.

And this is one of them.

Hell, even the huge coach in my gym takes nitrotech. And every huge muscled guy (like the one in the pic) is asking me things like "are you taking proteins? what are you taking? you should take some!".

My male coach ended up taking meds for kidneys, and so other few guys had problems in having stones in kidneys.

However, they NEVER mention these things in front of girls.

However Brighton is not Lebanon.


Yea, because it's the Middle-East who invented these products and made them mainstream among the gym guys (and this huge muscle obsession). / sarcasm.

I was referring to the not disclosing to girls remarks.


oh, no, i think this is quite universal.



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15 Mar 2012, 6:50 pm

Alright. Can we stop the quote treeing please?


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I think it's pretty sad for someone to spend money and hours and hours of their time on self improvement just to get the girls. Wouldn't it be better to do this for yourself rather than to just get laid?


Plus that whole acting-like-you're-doing-it-for-yourself-and-not-to-impress-girls thing really impresses the girls.



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I think it's pretty sad for someone to spend money and hours and hours of their time on self improvement just to get the girls. Wouldn't it be better to do this for yourself rather than to just get laid?


Plus that whole acting-like-you're-doing-it-for-yourself-and-not-to-impress-girls thing really impresses the girls.



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Lol, its the same. People can motive-monger all they want, it doesn't matter. You'd really rather do it for yourself because the motivation actually lasts. OTOH if someone is doing something just for the girls they have to wake up and realize that if they have to try that hard women weren't going to like them before and probably aren't going to be significantly more interested now or even further down the road - that's just them. What a guy has can help but it won't make a night and day difference; they either like you or they don't.


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17 Mar 2012, 12:38 pm

I don't like gyms.

Once I went to a gym and was being bullied and ridiculed for being "chubby". Gym bullies are a problem. That is why I don't like gyms.



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17 Mar 2012, 12:41 pm

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I don't like gyms.

Once I went to a gym and was being bullied and ridiculed for being overweight. Gym bullies are a problem. That is why I don't like gyms.

http://www.tinajuanfitness.info/articles/011601.htm


I face few gym bullies too, they will always exist there especially in the weight lifting section.

They don't physically bully me but they often make silly remarks about my slim physique.

I just ignore them.



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17 Mar 2012, 1:20 pm

Going to a gym is good. It won't change things overnight, but getting in shape and having a decent physique will come in handy when the woman does come along.