Best. Obama. Analogy. EVER
Kraichgauer
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Kuchinich is a closet Progressive. Just another pinko stinko lefty liberal.
ruveyn
You say that like there's something wrong with that.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Kuchinich is a closet Progressive. Just another pinko stinko lefty liberal.
ruveyn
The only reason you don't like Obama is that he isn't a pro-gun good ol' boy who goes around touting your own party line. That's the only thing you even look for in a politician. You really are that shallow, whether you will admit it or not. Your claims in the OP were totally bogus, and you aren't even being honest about your motives.
It's not just me saying this. Everyone who has really been paying attention, here, sees this. Nobody is buying your bull crap, dude.
It has been trivially easy to knock down your bull crap claims. I have direct quotes refuting them. You can plug your ears if you want to, but you would be totally out of touch with reality if you believed your own drivel.
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If all of my issues with Obama are so transparently false, then why are you so concerned with knocking them down? I mean the attempts have been poor and the accuracy is off, but the intent is clearly there. I do realize that I'm talking to the lowest rung on the Obama reelection campaign ladder here and that you're contractually obligated to defend your man and all, but anyone who cares to read can see how out of touch with reality you are in this thread. You don't even seem to realize/remember that I'm not a Republican, let alone that answering questions that have not been asked is not "debunking".
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“The totally convinced and the totally stupid have too much in common for the resemblance to be accidental.”
-- Robert Anton Wilson
Since you insist, "debunk" #3
The assertion:
The response:
http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php ... Itemid=207
So in your mind, promising to "celebrate whistleblowers and set new standards in open government" translates as: pass a law protecting food handlers from penalties for whistleblowing?
Color me underwhelmed.
I Googled the words "Obama whistleblowers" and the first 10 results were:
www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2058340,00.html
change.gov/agenda/ethics_agenda/
www.salon.com/.../obamas_unprecedented_ ... leblowers/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/0 ... 97888.html
http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-going-tran ... colapinto/
rt.com/usa/.../scahill-obama-shaye-administration-595/
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/po ... protection
www.guardian.co.uk › Comment is free › Cif America
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/busin ... ation.html
www.counterpunch.org/2011/06/30/obama-s ... leblowers/
Aside from the president's own site, change.gov, every single one details Obama's war on whistleblowers, a charge leveled by such dastardly right wing sources as Salon, Huffington Post The New York Times and Counterpunch. I'll excerpt the NYT arcticle for emphasis:
The Espionage Act, enacted back in 1917 to punish those who gave aid to our enemies, was used three times in all the prior administrations to bring cases against government officials accused of providing classified information to the media. It has been used six times since the current president took office.
Setting aside the case of Pfc. Bradley Manning, an Army intelligence analyst who is accused of stealing thousands of secret documents, the majority of the recent prosecutions seem to have everything to do with administrative secrecy and very little to do with national security.
In case after case, the Espionage Act has been deployed as a kind of ad hoc Official Secrets Act, which is not a law that has ever found traction in America, a place where the people’s right to know is viewed as superseding the government’s right to hide its business.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/busin ... ation.html
Who's playing games now?
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“The totally convinced and the totally stupid have too much in common for the resemblance to be accidental.”
-- Robert Anton Wilson
Just for fun, I'll make this one a double feature and move right along to "debunk" #4
The assertion:
The response:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/che ... _blog.html
I don't CARE how terrible the Obama administration says he was, if he was that bad they should have had no problem proving it in open court with standards of evidence and a judge or jury. All you or anyone else has to go on for judging just how bad a guy we collectively blew up is what the government has chosen to tell us; that is a problem. Obama's position has been that they have all this evidence proving how evil this guy is, but it's so secret that they can't tell us about it, or even reveal (officially) that they have any evidence, or even a drone program that everyone nonetheless knows about.
American citizens are being condemned to death and executed by a secret government board using secret information and secret procedures; does none of that worry you even the slightest bit?
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“The totally convinced and the totally stupid have too much in common for the resemblance to be accidental.”
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Kuchinich is a closet Progressive. Just another pinko stinko lefty liberal.
ruveyn
You say that like there's something wrong with that.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I do not want to see the State become All. We should have just enough government to keep order in the society. When governments attempt to do Good, they become tyrannies.
What is the primary paving material for the Road to Hell?
Good Intentions.
ruveyn
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... es/256836/\
Check out Chuck Todd, NBC's chief White House correspondent, openly speculating that President Obama is going to embrace same-sex marriage because he needs money from gay people. "Gay money in this election has replaced Wall Street money," he reported. NBC's David Gregory agreed. For some reason, neither man seemed to think this theory reflects poorly on the president.
Then the conventional wisdom shifted. Observers were basing their guesses on the fact that HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan and Vice President Joe Biden had both made statements in support of same-sex marriage. The same-sex-marriage supporters who praised these developments were as quickly dismayed when the White House walked back Biden's statements, insisting that like Obama, Biden's views on the subject were still "evolving," a euphemism that seems to mean they'll favor either marriage equality for gays or discrimination against them depending on their moment-to-moment judgments about what's best for them politically.
Sounds like Mitt Romney's position!
Observing all this, Romney 2012 booster Jennifer Rubin aptly noted, "This is becoming the proverbial Lucy and the football. One wonders how often pro-gay-marriage activists, like poor Charlie Brown, are going to fall for this stuff." But Lucy just had one Charlie Brown. Obama has a whole roster of would-be kickers, and a habit of teeing up the ball only to callously pull it away.
Don't progressives see this?
- Obama tricked the cannabis community into thinking his Justice Department would go easy on medical marijuana in states where it is legal, broke his promise, then misled voters about his options.
- Obama tricked anti-war voters into thinking that he wouldn't order American troops into battle unless there was an imminent threat to America or a declaration of war from Congress, then went to war in Libya, violating the War Powers Resolution, even though neither condition was met.
- Obama tricked transparency advocates into thinking he'd celebrate whistleblowers and set new standards in open government. He has prosecuted whistleblowers as aggressively as any president in history, and presided over a dramatic escalation in what the federal government does in secret.
- Obama tricked executive-power critics into thinking he would roll back the excesses of the Bush Administration. He has transformed those excesses into matters of bipartisan consensus, and gone farther in some respects, as when an American citizen was killed extra-judicially on his order.
- Obama tricked immigration-reform advocates into thinking he was a fellow traveler, then upset them with Secure Communities, record-breaking deportation levels, and a failure to improve immigration detention.
- Obama tricked Iraq War opponents into thinking that he would exit the country by the withdrawal date that George W. Bush negotiated. The Iraqi government wouldn't let him keep troops in the country beyond that date, although he tried to break his promise. Now the Obama Administration pays a small army of private-security contractors to protect America's presence in that country.
- Obama tricked critics of indefinite detention into thinking that he abhorred the practice, only to sign a bill that institutionalized it.
- Obama tricked critics of signing statements into thinking he wouldn't issue them. But he's done so on many occasions.
- Obama tricked critics of the state-secrets privilege into thinking he'd reverse Bush-era uses of the tactic. Instead he's continued it.
supporting links are in the original article.
Don't get me wrong, Romney is just as bad if not worse, I just can't believe the blinders some people have on when it comes to Obama.
A lot of lefties are hypocritical that way, especially the 30 and under crowd. They talk about justice, and fairness, and intellectual superiority, and all that good s**t and don't live up to their own ideals.
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Kuchinich is a closet Progressive. Just another pinko stinko lefty liberal.
ruveyn
You say that like there's something wrong with that.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I do not want to see the State become All. We should have just enough government to keep order in the society. When governments attempt to do Good, they become tyrannies.
What is the primary paving material for the Road to Hell?
Good Intentions.
ruveyn
I fail to see how keeping people from going hungry, or freezing to death, or providing people with higher education would pave the way to hell.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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Kraichgauer
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I'm not about to argue with that.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The assertion:
The response:
http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php ... Itemid=207
So in your mind, promising to "celebrate whistleblowers and set new standards in open government" translates as: pass a law protecting food handlers from penalties for whistleblowing?
Color me underwhelmed.
I Googled the words "Obama whistleblowers" and the first 10 results were:
www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2058340,00.html
2) The media has portrayed this as if the only thing he is charged with is publishing a video that makes the USA look bad. The media has greatly exaggerated the role this plays in how his case has been treated, and they are making some wild assumptions about why it's involved in the case.
In truth, which you seem to be impaired in, Manning leaked numerous documents, including some important databases:
The Wikileaks reports on Iraq and Afghanistan are from a system known as CIDNE (Combined Information/Data Network Exchange) which is the latest iteration of the database of record for all tactical reporting across the OIF and OEF theaters. The release is only a tiny percentage of the actual data contained in the database. Each record in the Wikileaks release is only the initial text report often transcribed from the radio or secret chat rooms. After the incident/action is completed, each record is typically updated with new information, pictures, videos, PowerPoints and other relevant documentation. To allow for transfer into incompatible systems and other software packages, CIDNE includes an “Export to Excel” feature that allows for the rapid filtering and transfer of records to other systems. Bradley Manning likely utilized this feature to export the comprehensive CIDNE database that he would later transmit to Wikileaks. Such an action could be completed in less than an hour depending on the bandwidth available and leaves no signature that would be readily noticed as unusual or alarming.
3) The "aiding the enemy" charge is not even related to the material he distributed.
http://www.disinfo.com/2012/04/bradley- ... ommission/
4) Upon entering the service of the US army, Manning swore an oath, on which he reneged. I have a friend who lived during the 1950s: in his time, Manning could have been shot for that alone, and he probably would have been pistol-whipped on the spot.
People might not take oaths as seriously today as they did in the 1700s, but the reason that many of the Scottish fought for King George III during the American Revolution was that they had sworn an oath. The Scottish had no reason to like King George III. The only reason they had even sworn the oath was that it was the only reason, because they were Scots and had good reason to hate the English, that they were allowed to immigrate to the colonies. Just because we treat a person's word of honor like a joke today doesn't mean that it lacks significance.
Conclusion: Manning WAS NOT A "WHISTLEBLOWER," but he is a TRAITOR. He is a criminal. One more American soldier probably got killed because of him. That is not funny.
I think it's highly dishonest and cheap that you are trying to treat Manning as if he were some civilian journalist putting his own video recording on YouTube or something. He was relaying classified US intelligence, and you are here trying to portray it as something else.
I fail to see how keeping people from going hungry, or freezing to death, or providing people with higher education would pave the way to hell.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Is anyone stopping you from being charitable. If person A with some money wants to feed person B who has little or none, let Person A be charitable with his own money. Stealing to feed the hungry is a crime and in breach of several commandments.
Let's start with the basics: thou shalt not steal. If only the government obeyed that commandment.
ruveyn