What Women Mean by "Creepy"

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Probably. But would I apply them from the beginning? No. It would start with me seeing a pretty woman, and being casual. If an otherwise-perfect woman was ugly, I'd know myself to have no problem saying no to anything she wanted. For women, that seems to be pretty similar. It would usually start with seeing a good-looking man, or a man with status, or being approached by several men and picking one to try out based on one of those criteria.

Why was Stephen Hawking married? Well, his first wife didn't fall in love with a man who had a crooked face and was in a wheelchair. Otherwise, he's the man of a lot of women's dreams. Intelligent, friendly and witty. They also separated. His second wife was a gold digger - married a relatively wealthy man after coming very close to him, divorced him after allegations that she had abused him. His first wife married a musician and wrote a book to rake in additional profit.

Thing is, even if people have great personal qualities, you'll have to look for them. And you won't look for them in a lot of people, because they're ugly or lacking in status.

There are more creepy guys then there are aspies, If creepinesss is such a (evolutionary)disadvantage the creepy gene would have killed itself off, and gone the same way as homoerectus. Every womans preception of creepy is different.

Why is it that I end up agreeing with TM so often on these issues?

Most likely because I speak with a combination of cynicism and lack of idealism on this topic, resulting in a "how it is" rather than "how it should be" view of "love and dating".

Men are not much better to be quite honest. Men tend to get obsessed with women who have that rare combo of physically attractive and mentally unstable, who lead them on chase after chase.

Men overemphasize physical appearance in women for the most part and for some reason physical appearance in women tend to weigh fairly heavily, meaning that an unattractive woman with a great personality tends to be ignored.

Men can frequently be indiscriminate in terms of who they sleep with (women are increasingly catching up here though).

No gender is perfect, and both are quite frankly stupid when it comes to "love and dating". Men tend to pick women who are no good for them, women pick men who are no good for them. Women make men into "bad boys" and misogynists through their behavior in their adolescence, teens and early to late twenties by consistently rewarding males who exhibit this type of behavior.

Men tend to go for the very women who crush their spirit, try to hysterically change them and who go for the bad boys, despite the fact that that type of woman is generally not good for anyone to be around. Furthermore, the males in question tend to have weak senses of self, suck up to women and bend to the woman's every will.

In the "which gender sucks most" contest, its for the most part a toss up.

It's more that coming from someone she wants to sleep with, she has a higher barrier for them, or finds it attractive. Quite a few women find that type of talk as a positive experience when they are attracted to the person and a negative experience if they are not attracted to the person.

Consider that I've put up with some needy, unstable, outright insane women, just because they were hot, based on my experience, males are no better.

ive never claimed men to be better. All i claim is that women are not what we are told they are. If anything they are exactly as bad as us men and exactly as good.

I just felt the need to state it to avoid the inevitable derail about how I hate women. I don't hate women, if I did, why would I put up with all their s**t?

As men, we are socialized by our mothers, grandmothers and so on, who all tell us how we *should* behave to women, except everything they tell us are lies. Maybe not conscious lies, but inaccurate fallacies at best.

It's actually kind of funny that the way my female family members told me to act towards women, is the exact opposite of what "pick up artists" who actually do get a ton of women tell you to do and actually do themselves. Read a book by David D, Style or Mystery and it can in many ways be summed up as "Do the exact opposite of what your mother told you."

The unfortunate bit is that only the most self-aware and intelligent women can understand and accept the material as valid. Most women like to see themselves as something that can't be easily manipulated by pressing 4 - 6 buttons.

I was agreeing here up to this point. Pick up artists dont get the ammount of women they make it sound to be. They dont have a magical code to sleep with any woman. What they have is having anxiety and such things been beaten out of them to the point they dont care anymore and approach hundreds of women in one night. Thats it, PUA in itself has zero net worth. It, just like everything, is a numbers game. Do you really think if someone managed to figure out how women work and manipulate them into his bed that hed say how todo it on the internet? Hell, read the game for once. It is honestly sad that these guys thought they had so much runing for them when there is an underlying theme of simply going for easy girls instead of being masters of getting laid.

Getting fear of rejection and anxiety beaten out of you is the thing that has the most value in PUA training. Everything after that is about displaying your value in the form of who you are, or are pretending to be in order to attract that female.

Also, from personal experience, a lot of the material works surprisingly well.

did it work well because of the material orbecause you were confident in what you were doing? Again, here goes the attractive not being creepy thing. If you attracted them with your smoothness and confidence it wouldnt matter what you said.

It worked well because it presented me with a set of rules to follow, which are easy to copy as you go along.

But... isn't creepiness = aspergers?

Creepiness often comes about when one doesn't know the rules.