Eric Holder gets burned by Texas senator.

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...and you're playing 'ignore the blatantly obvious', while still proclaiming to know something about reality.

I think I could spend several pages trying to explain to you how assumptions and facts are different things and you still wouldnt get it or pretend not to at least. Personally I think you know better and are just using insinuations to troll.

I'm quite certain people who's sole purpose is to rant and take pot-shots aren't interested in serious debate. I mean, look at how they responded to visigrunt even when he honestly tries. I'm not as much as a fool as him to waste my mental effort on people who only come on here to make partisan rants, pot shots, and otherwise clown around. I'm not holding anyone at fault if that's what they want to do, but I'm not going to waste my effort dissecting posts consisting of cheap slogans and pot-shots point by point. If I'm responding to someone else's rant with a rant of my own and I feel contempt for their particular viewpoint that's just that and it's going to come out. I'm not trying to manipulate people or pull the wool over anyone's eyes. I'm just expressing myself. I expect people to think for themselves and not take everything I say 100% literally. If you think it makes me look weak that's only one person's opinion. The truth of the matter is most people on this board are capable of serious discussion even if they enjoy ranting every once in a while. A lot of the right-wing partisans that happen upon here only seem to operate in one gear though, maybe because they feel outnumbered by a hostile left-leaning majority on here.

The fact that people like you vote kind of forces my hand. It's not about me though. I think people in this country could all start taking things a little more seriously.

No. By the fact that someone is only interested in hanging out under bridges.

Your mind-reading skills are sub-par. That you think someone is baiting you has no bearing on their actual intent to provoke you.

Whatever.

Exactly. When faced with deranged rants the only option is mockery. There is no basis for discussion.

When someone says "when did you stop beating your wife", denying it isnt the proper response. If you discuss it at all you've given the attacker a win because you are talking about what they want to talk about. A smear. You respond that you'll be happy to explain that in full once they explain why they scr*wed their mother's corpse in their driveway in broad daylight. There never was a discussion taking place so don't pretend there is one.

And I'll still be voting no matter what. Take it seriously on some liberal political website. You're not going to accomplish much in the way of anything on PPR as long as the opposition can respond to you with their own arguments. I don't know what your aim is on this forum is but you're not going to convert any conservative worth the time of day over to the left any more than I'm going to convert any liberals over. I don't try to and I don't even want to. Anyone that can be hornswoggled that easily from one side to the other can just as easily be hornswoggled back. People will change one way or the other for their own reasons if they change at all.


Ah yes, the troll accusation. Someone doesn't agree with you so they're a troll. Or maybe you realize I'm right on some things but can't admit to it so you throw the troll thing up there.
We've got a real troll here if there ever was one but he's a liberal so I guess you don't notice. Selective blindness or silent consent?


I don't claim to be a mind reader but I've noticed you do seem to take any opportunity to take a shot a the right. You do it a lot more than I do it to the left and it is apparently just for the purpose of drawing fire.

I'm not interested in trying to "convert" die-hard conservative republicans. I'm just saying it's pretty hard not to take your group seriously when you guys vote.


No. I'm not talking about disagreement. I'm talking about your "debate" style. Heavy on sarcasm and pot-shots, low on substance. There are some right-wing partisans I'm not quite willing to apply the 'T' label to because unlike you they actually do put time and effort into their arguments every once in while. I'm glad Inuyasha is finally back.

Well I've got to admit it's a lot more annoying when one is dead wrong on every issue in addition to acting like a troll. You already have Dox47 policing "the left" on it's "debate tactics" while completely ignoring you and a couple others. What more do you want?


You've got to remember I'm on the autism spectrum. I don't have the natural inclination to deliberately manipulate people. When I do snap and say something un-nice about your political tribe, it's simply me reacting to the particular combination of , , and appearing regularly under the name of one of your comrades. It would actually save me a lot of pain if I didn't "draw fire" and could chew you guys out in peace. It'd simply be some enjoyable mental catharsis if my punching bag had a faceless generic repugnican label on it but alas people like you have to dart in front and take the hit for the home team.

*ahem*

The entire rest of the forum (more or less) "polices" the handful of right wing members we have here; I prefer to point out the things that 15 other member haven't already harped on.

I don't see any "policing" going on at all. I just see mutual derision flowing back and forth from both sides. You're the only one acting as self-appointed forum nanny who only criticizes the "tactics" of people with whom you just so happen to disagree with and not get along with.

If you're trying to go for balance you don't really come across well. You're quick to give off-topic insulting lectures to others but get irritable if I say anything even remotely critical of you. Now I can predict you're going to get all nasty with me accusing me of making a false comparison. It's somehow different for you and I'm using some twisted logic right? You just know you're right but can't be bothered to explain it to me? Well, that's not good enough. Give me real logic. Not hollow claims of superiority. I just can't have a respectful discourse with you when it feels like walking on egg-shells. I also know I'm not alone in feeling this way about you.

I don't think the family of the slain border patrol agents would share your opinion. Quite frankly I don't particularly care about the political implications, those families deserve answers not the partisan B.S. that you're spewing.

You guys vote, too. The difference with me is that I know there isn't diddly I can do about it here and whining about it won't change anything at all.

So you're saying that all of your posts are civil and that you never take potshots at the right? So if I tried to I couldn't go back and find anything where you fired the first shot or said something extremely partisan or even sarcastic?


Put in time and effort as in posting links to polls, studies, and articles? I don't have an issue with them doing that but for me it seems like a waste of time. Post a study and one side will generally agree with it and other other will call it BS because it opposes their stand or values.


You must love abuse.


Dead wrong only because I don't agree with you and yours I guess......


The left on this forum tends to be the ones that get out of hand with the childishness and incivility. I'll admit to being naughty a few times but on average I've seen a helluva lot more of it from the left. I do tend take it lightly because, as I've said before to YOU, this is a discussion forum not congress or the UN. We're not deciding the fate of nations so why get so wrapped around the axle, especally when there are those that get a kick out of you getting wrapped around the axle. If I come off as being clownish or sarcastic it's because I refuse to take such a partisan discussion forum so seriously.


No kidding? So am I or I wouldn't be on WP.

You keep on slugging and we repugnicans will keep being amused by it.....

I had a fully fisked out response to the entirety of this post mostly written, when it occurred to me that everything but this was window dressing.

Allow me to turn this one around; do you think that ranting, personal insults, potshots, cheap point scoring, etc, all the things that you and the other partisans regularly fling at each other, make you look in any way good, to say nothing of strong?

Barring real (as opposed to perceived) personal insults, I don't think they make me look "bad" or "weak" in the minds of people that matter to me. I don't think all ideologies, political parties, beliefs, or arguments automatically deserve respect. Let me ask you this, if I respond to a genuine self-professing Nazi or racist in a less than mild and respectful manner does that make me a "partisan" in your mind? I'm not trying to compare American conservatives to Nazi's or racists to be insulting here. I'm simply saying that not all ideas can be effectively debated through facts and logic. I don't think ridicule and conversational intolerance is always necessarily a bad thing when it comes to ideologies and beliefs. I don't care if people want to ridicule my ideas and beliefs either. I don't have a problem with Raptor personally but I don't think I have to respect his opinions. I'm more bothered by the fact that you act as though you're some kind of moderating authority figure and I don't know if you do it to deliberately get under my skin by selectively taking issue with me while ignoring others or what.

Ummm... chill out. I already stated that I do not in any way approve of what happened and believe whoever is responsible should be held accountable. Assume what you want of me, I don't blindly support this administration. You know Eric Holder has already pissed off liberals as well by failing to prosecute banks.

Last I checked, the mods handled rule infractions, not rhetorical technique and logical soundness, and those are exactly the sorts of things we debate here in PPR. Since I don't carry any authority here, the only weight my words have is given to them by you, and if they weren't hitting close to home you'd just be shrugging them off. If you think I'm wrong, ignore me, it's that simple.

As far as singling you out goes, a quick look at my posting record would have shown that I've had a number of clashes lately with a number of people, many of them not you. You like to make it personal, so you get more of my attention than the others, i.e. you reap what you sow.

Wait, so you are the critical authority on debate technique? That sounds like an enormous waste of time, though I can empathize.