James Holmes may have Aspergers?
I'm waiting to see the details of his personal life.
because it equals Media sensationalism and scapegoating! also creates a false sense of comfort for the NT majority
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Most people just flip out a bit and it's over. Very few flip out and kill someone. Practically no one snaps and sets out to go on a killing spree.
As far as psychopaths and sociopaths, there are numerous instances of them killing people after getting fired, splitting up, getting a restraining order, etc. Most psychopaths and sociopaths never kill or even physically injure anyone, however.
As it turns out, the authority figure (in Milgram's experiment, a man in a white lab coat) is pretty crucial to this. Without a clear authority figure, people are significantly less likely to comply. Also, adding another person who objects tends to break whatever it is that keeps people going at it, and they'll object right along with that person.
If you think the experiments demonstrated that anyone could just decide to go do horrible things, you badly misunderstood them.
I am not pinning it on the mentally ill. I said I do not think James Holmes is mentally ill. I do not know what you are responding to, but I said the exact opposite of what you're complaining about. And for the record, I am mentally ill.
I actually made this exact point earlier.
Because while most people are capable of doing certain kinds of horrible things under certain conditions, it does not reflect a general tendency to just go off and do any kind of horrible things at will. And when I say "most people" I am also referring to people with mental illnesses who as I swear I have said more than once, are more likely to be targeted for violence than be the cause of it.
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Its easy for us to appreciate how 'bullycide' works
This is similar. Yet we struggle to accept our own can become heinous murderers
In new zealand we have recently been promoting anti bullying measures [esp, regarding facebook, texting and social media]
due the the high incidence of young people committing suicide after being bullied publicly via websites
recently groups of young people [who know each other, from small towns] have been killing themselves
one by one over the space of a few months....
I sincerely hope progressive measures are implemented.
Otherwise bullycide and mass murders will become more frequent in our societies.... 'normal' 'aspie' or 'whatever'
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Most people just flip out a bit and it's over. Very few flip out and kill someone. Practically no one snaps and sets out to go on a killing spree.
As far as psychopaths and sociopaths, there are numerous instances of them killing people after getting fired, splitting up, getting a restraining order, etc. Most psychopaths and sociopaths never kill or even physically injure anyone, however.
True.
As it turns out, the authority figure (in Milgram's experiment, a man in a white lab coat) is pretty crucial to this. Without a clear authority figure, people are significantly less likely to comply. Also, adding another person who objects tends to break whatever it is that keeps people going at it, and they'll object right along with that person.
If you think the experiments demonstrated that anyone could just decide to go do horrible things, you badly misunderstood them.
That is not quite what I meant, just that it proves normal people can be capable of hurting others or even killing them(if I remember the experiment right, though I know no one in the experiment was actually killed). I am not saying most people could just up and decide to go on a killing spree they would either have to be pushed to that point, following an authority figure who says it's ok, or already have sadistic tendencies at least in my opinion...though even then one could develop such tendencies depending on their environment even if that is not how they were to begin with.
I am not pinning it on the mentally ill. I said I do not think James Holmes is mentally ill. I do not know what you are responding to, but I said the exact opposite of what you're complaining about. And for the record, I am mentally ill.
I actually made this exact point earlier.
Because while most people are capable of doing certain kinds of horrible things under certain conditions, it does not reflect a general tendency to just go off and do any kind of horrible things at will. And when I say "most people" I am also referring to people with mental illnesses who as I swear I have said more than once, are more likely to be targeted for violence than the cause of it.
alright sorry I'm awesome at reading apparently.....I'll go back and try and find what I was responding to, it looked like you were saying people with mental illnesses were more likely to be violent and I was also just kind of speaking generally others have tried making that connection so that wasn't entirely directed at you so I guess I misunderstood.
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However, "normal" people don't go on shooting sprees. Someone does something like this, they are almost certainly diagnosable with something.
Anyways this is what gave me the impression you were implying mentally ill people are more likely than 'normal' people to do something like that.
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This is similar. Yet we struggle to accept our own can become heinous murderers
In new zealand we have recently been promoting anti bullying measures [esp, regarding facebook, texting and social media]
due the the high incidence of young people committing suicide after being bullied publicly via websites
recently groups of young people [who know each other, from small towns] have been killing themselves
one by one over the space of a few months....
I sincerely hope progressive measures are implemented.
Otherwise bullycide and mass murders will become more frequent in our societies.... 'normal' 'aspie' or 'whatever'
I could not agree more because whatever was going on with this individual it is possible he suffered some kind of bullying if that is the case it could explain hid actions like he wanted to live in another world. Of course no one would say he did the right thing and no one knows if he has AS or anything else I guess as they say we will find out in time.
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The something I was referring to was psychopathy or sociopathy, which are not technically mental illnesses, but more a matter of personality, or at least in the case of psychopathy, a neurological issue.
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The something I was referring to was psychopathy or sociopathy, which are not technically mental illnesses, but more a matter of personality, or at least in the case of psychopathy, a neurological issue.
Those aren't nessisarily diagnosible and I have never heard either referred to as neurological issues...but maybe. But that makes more sense.
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Aspies generally don't lack empathy, that's more along the line of psychopathy. I would guess the two can be thought as similar, it's only natural for someone that doesn't fit into society, to create their own place to exist, which is often filled with things that interest them.
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Psychopathy is diagnosable with Robert Hare's psychopathy checklists (PCL-R, for example). Sociopathy is a somewhat vague construct that is either supposed to actually be psychopathy, or is distinguished from psychopathy in particular ways,
The neurological elements of psychopathy are discussed in this video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnV4RnWcmWo[/youtube]
Psychopaths usually gave a ton of friends. I was involved with a cult once, the leader was a charismatic psychopathic Satanist......and also a psychopathic girlfriend who was eventually charged with criminal harassment.
I know psychopathy
Aspies who go bad..... get relabelled sociopaths... after the fact
Until the cinema shootings he was a choir boy.... and into Batman!!
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Not to derail but I do not believe that violent media is a straight shot actual violence. I watch plenty of horror movies and violent video games but you will not see me pull out a sword and saw my neighbors.
However, "normal" people don't go on shooting sprees. Someone does something like this, they are almost certainly diagnosable with something.
Anyways this is what gave me the impression you were implying mentally ill people are more likely than 'normal' people to do something like that.
General studies per the mentally ill indicate they are no more likely than the general population to be associated with violence, however there are exceptions to that general research among subgroups.
The issue has been studied specifically per rampage killings, and about half of the individuals studied were formally diagnosed mentally ill and often schizophrenic. Many were reported as receiving no treatment for their mental illnesses or were not taking their prescribed medications prior to the rampage killings.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/13/opinion/a-closer-look-at-rampage-killings.html
Cultural influences on this group, such as violent entertainment, seemed to have little impact. Instead, the most common factor was serious mental health problems. About half had received formal diagnosis of mental illness, often schizophrenia. More than half made threats, and a third had histories of violent behavior. Many never received treatment for mental disorders or were not monitored to keep them on their medication. Most of their rampage attacks were not sudden, impulsive acts but the culmination of years of rage, depression and mental illness. Often the failure of families, co-workers and even therapists to deal with warning signs led to catastrophic consequences.
Even with greater care in spotting mental disturbance, there can never be a perfect system. But the other crucial factor in rampage killings, access to guns, can be affected through legislation and regulation. More than half the killers, including those with histories of hospitalization for mental illness, were able to buy guns easily. While federal law prohibits the sale of guns to those who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution, most states do not conduct background checks on a purchaser's psychiatric history.
The more notable recent rampage killings have been carried out by young adult males, however the research that was done prior to the year 2000 indicates that most were middle age males.
Considering that his mother was a psychiatric nurse, it's not likely that an autism spectrum disorder would have gone undetected during Holmes youth. It is pretty obvious that he is a delusional individual, by any reasonable observation, regardless of what potential diagnosis may eventually be attached to those delusions.
It's not impossible that someone like him presenting the behavior he is currently presenting would have an autism spectrum disorder, as the ICD10 acknowledges that Aspergers is associated with psychotic breaks from reality in young adulthood, in some cases.
I think it is likely that the parents may be able to contribute more information to the authorities regarding his mental health, but the general public may not ever become aware of those details, if they are not presented as part of the case. If he wasn't drugged in the courtroom today, it appeared he was not sharing the same reality with the rest of the people in that room, nor was he making any attempt to hide it.
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