What is more acceptable to 'heteronormative people'?

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A fairly recent study suggests that there are fundamental differences in brain structure between transsexual individuals and heterosexual individuals.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... -scan.html

So the "a man is still a man" argument isn't really valid, if the person didn't have the brain of a man in the first place.

I think homosexuals are more accepted today. I think homosexuality is more common, so people are more familiar with it. Also, there is greater advocacy for homosexuality than there is for transsexuals.

I myself feel slightly uneasy around transvestites (though not necessarily transsexuals). I like to think of myself as an open minded person and I have campaigned against racism and homophobia, but I still feel irrationally uneasy when I realise someone is dressing as the wrong sex (though I support the rights of transsexuals and I am against discrimination on those grounds), which is quite embarrassing. I imagine in 50 years time my grandchildren will look back on my irrational unease in the same way I look upon the homophobia of my grandparents.

Exactly, and its far more common then people think.

The reason that it may be selfish is because, if this is a monogamous long-term relationship that two people are committed to make it work, then besides masturbation, you are his sole outlet for him to express himself sexually. If the understanding entering something like, say, marriage, was that: "you know, we totally get each other, we get along very well, we have great mental stimulation and emotional chemistry but we both acknowledge that one or both of us are will be more so sexually unavailable, and we're fine with that" then no harm, no foul. At least you both entered in understanding that, so its not selfish.

You have to marry with your mind, your heart, and your genitals. The last one most people are uncomfortable bringing up, and understandably so, but the sexual chemistry between two people is almost as important as the first two. Being honest at the onset helps, so does asking each other what sex means to them and how it makes them feel. And it goes both ways by the way, I feel bad for women who are stuck with a sexually unavailable man, and vice versa, especially if the sexual unavilability was misunderstood and not expected, and they've invested all this time and love only to be locked out of that.

Bingo.

God made order and separation, and almost every policy following the second day of creation is reconfirmed in Jewish ritual. The text when not read into has nothing against the trans so long as it conforms to a specific gender identity. (That doesn't mean that people won't have something against trans.)

It was written specifically this way under the assumption that gender is not that confining... only to be reconfirmed by within Jewish society and every culture it came into contact with. It assumes that we are born a certain way, gay or straight or bi or transexual or whatever, but the way that people behave around us is just much an influence on our sexual identity, and that our sexuality is far more fluid then we think. 100% nature, and 100% nurture makes up the human being.

What's embarrassing about it? How could anyone blame you for having an irrational thought pass through your mind? Everyone has irrational thoughts and impulses pass through their mind.

You aren't responsible for thoughts that you can't control. You are responsible for your actions, which you can control.

If an asexual person enters into a relationship without making their preferences known upfront, I agree that it is selfish. I've never agreed with other asexuals who were upset when they spring their lack of desire for sex on their sexual partner, and subsequently become upset when said partner dumps them.

Personally, I don't have the ability to cater to someone else's "physical needs," nor am I able to satisfy their emotional needs. It would be grossly irresponsible of me to enter into ANY romantic relationship.

People get mad when their partner won't put out. I think it's pretty awful when a person expects their partner to pretty much let them masturbate using their body, having to go through sex that they don't want and can't enjoy and possible even have pain from.

I've seen plenty of women on the hysterectomy forum I'm on with husbands getting all pissy about not getting any when their wife has good excuses of not being healed enough yet or having pain and aren't refusing just because they don't feel like it (which is a legitimate excuse too).

I'll likely never get in a relationship with a man again for various reasons but one big one is that I will never do penetration again. I am now even tampon free and am going to have a fit if I'm expected to use dilators after my radiation. I don't even want to do pelvic exams but I suppose I'll have to.

That's an incredibly dumb thing to say. Homophobes hate transsexuals as much as they hate gays. They would argue that "trannies" are just gays in disguise.



@Puddingmouse: WTF do you mean by "heteronormative" people? You do realize that many, many radical feminists, particularly of the separatist variety, are vehemently transphobic? I could show you blog after blog bashing trans women. These retardettes think that there's a 'patriarchal conspiracy' to "infiltrate" their movement by means of MTF transsexuals.....

Homosexuality isn't more 'common'. Its just that more homosexuals are out as a result of better advocacy, rights advancement and greater tolerance within wider society.

In days of yore homosexuals had to remain hidden to avoid social castigation and imprisonment.

Or worse,burning.I read that the term"fa***t" came from the fact that so many homosexuals were burned,so the term fa***t,which once meant a peice of wood became synonymous with being homosexual.

By heteronormative, I mean people who are icked out by homosexuality, even despite their better selves.

Yeah, I know rad fems hate transsexuals. They are right to be concerned about the marginalisation of the lesbian identity, but I don't think transsexuals are the source of this. I don't agree with them on this issue.

There is a problem that MtFs often go to extremes to embody the feminine stereotypes that radical feminists fight against. They attribute this to the wrong source, however. MtFs do all that preening s**t because they are under pressure to do so in order to pass, not because they are part of the patriarchal conspiracy.

I also think that in some places (like Iran and Latin America) people are under pressure to transition because the society doesn't accept homosexuals. Radical feminists call this 'butch flight', where an increasing number of butch lesbians transition. It is hard to be a butch lesbian because all the benefits of being a woman are tied into performing the 'feminine role'. I'm not a butch and I daydream about transitioning a lot because I'm so sick of this crap - but the real fault lies with society there for defining gender roles in such a constricting way.

Lynn Conway's surveys (which admittedly aren't perfect) gave results of between 1:250 and 1:500. LGB people are generally said to be 3-10% of the population. That's a big difference.

It is less than less than perfect, it is a load of nonsense. Its transparently part of the right wing mandate to label homosexuality as a 'pandemic' or 'fashionable lifestyle choice'.

You're forgetting that within the last 40 years there have been massive strides forward in public attitudes and therefore the likliehood of someone of a homosexual persuasion openly admitting their sexuality.

It isnt that homosexuals are increasing its, that the conditions for being open about it are far more tolerant.

Absolutely. And this isn't even necessarily about asexual's, heterosexual males and females with low sex drives need to be aware of their partners need. Some people want it too much, I understand that extreme, but awareness, concern, and understanding on this issue would help a good many relationships out.

I wonder how that statement would fare in the LGBT Discussion thread...