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17 Dec 2012, 1:15 pm

This has scared the s**t out of me. I f*****g HATE having this f*****g sh***y Aspergers Sydrome s**t now because that means I'm a murderer. What if one day in 40 years time I become so resentful that I suddenly have a crazy urge to kill a whole group of innocent people? What if I have a fuse that is waiting to blow? It f*****g scares me because I thought I did not have that in me at all.

What if the government suddenly assume that everybody on the spectrum are murderers, and so decide to isolate us and put us in concentration camps where we are to be tortured for years? I'm sorry, that would be the worst thing that would ever happen to me. Either I will get undiagnosed and be classed as normal for the rest of my life, or I will kill myself.

And people say AS is a gift, when people are now accusing us of all being tarred with the same brush and will end up throwing us in horrible concentration camps in the future? I think AS is f*****g worse than anything in the whole world. I'd rather die than to be accused of being a murderer and having to be tortured in nasty horrible concentration camps for the rest of my life, all because I have this nasty disease called AS what I never asked for and that I am nowhere near a murderer.

I may get angry, but that does not mean I am capable of murder. I just hate AS so much. And I know why we are being accused of murderers - it's because everybody believes that we lack empathy and NTs don't. That is the biggest joke I have ever heard. TAKE LACK OF EMPATHY OFF THE AUTISM DIAGNOSTIC LIST NOW! IT IS NOT AN AUTISTIC TRAIT OK!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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17 Dec 2012, 1:26 pm

I hate how people try and link criminal behavior to ASD. I wasn't happy when I heard Gary Mcannen(sp) got off without any sort of charges but this one is the worst. What Gary did was pretty harmless because no one was hurt. Heck even breaking into someone's home would be harmless just as long as no one is hurt but charges would still be pressed if the owner wishes to do that. But this pisses me off the most and I am sick of hearing about shooters having autism. Oh he was a loner, had no friends, he was quiet, he must have been autistic. :roll:

I have thrown cell phones, remote controls, hit, kicked, broken a picture frame, but I will never take a gun and start shooting people nor chase anyone with a knife.

I didn't read the article BTW and I assume they mean asocial. anti social is often misused by lot of people, even my husband uses that word and I have to correct him.


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17 Dec 2012, 3:17 pm

It quite clearly states anti-social disorder and the intention seems concise in context of the paragraph.

It will no doubt emerge that the gunman is likely sociopathic and/or psychotic.

No good either the newspaper apologising for their ignorance and error when the damage has been done already.



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17 Dec 2012, 3:24 pm

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... then he should be fired from his job.


Well I only complained to the news desk.

His name is Giles Sheldrick.

Under 'contact us' though unfortunately he was not listed.



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17 Dec 2012, 3:46 pm

squonk wrote:
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Don't most on the spectrum want to socialise; but don't now how to?


Good point.

Q/ Are you possibly named after a beautiful Lionel Richie song or simply a wandering stranger?


I am named after a song (and album) by an artist called Andy Clayburn.



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17 Dec 2012, 6:30 pm

Wandering_Stranger wrote:
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Don't most on the spectrum want to socialise; but don't now how to?


Good point.

Q/ Are you possibly named after a beautiful Lionel Richie song or simply a wandering stranger?


I am named after a song (and album) by an artist called Andy Clayburn.


Ah well, never heard of that but hope it is as good as Lionel Richie. :roll:



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17 Dec 2012, 7:01 pm

"Antisocial disorder?!"...darn, this is all we need! (*sarcasm intended*)


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17 Dec 2012, 7:09 pm

The issue of co-morbid personality disorders has been studied among those with Autism Spectrum Disorders; in the study linked below anti-social personality disorder was not found in any of the sample of individuals with Asperger's syndrome, and was assessed in 4 individuals with PDDNOS.

Out of 62 individuals studied with Asperger's syndrome 68% had one personality disorder and 40% had two personality disorders co-morbid with Asperger's syndrome. 40% were reported obsessive, 29% avoidant, 21% schizoid, 19% paranoid, and 16% schizotypal, among others identified in the second link below that lists illustrates the table of disorders.

Out of 50 individuals studied with PDD NOS 60% had one personality disorder and 32% had two personality disorders co-morbid with PDDNOS, with detail of the disorders in the table.

Out of 5 individuals studied with Autistic Disorder 20% had one personality disorder, 0% had two personality disorders; one individual was identified with obsessive personality disorder with no other personality disorders identified in this very small sample of individuals with autistic disorder.

The study is worth checking out as it has some other very interesting information.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2705351/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... /table/T4/

At least from this study it appears that it would be unusual to find a person diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome with anti-social personality disorder, but not unusual at all to find a person diagnosed co-morbid with a personality disorder, or potentially two.



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17 Dec 2012, 7:14 pm

Even if the shooter was a sociopath, that still wouldn't be enough to explain why he did it. Sociopaths may lack empathy and a conscience, but they are still concerned with self-preservation. Most sociopaths still don't want to die or go to prison. Adam Lanza shot those children anticipating that he would have to commit suicide afterwards. There would also need to be a motive for doing it in the first place. The only reasonable explanation for why he would have done it is that he was manic and psychotic.



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18 Dec 2012, 3:04 am

In previous evenings, news anchors always said that the perpetrator had Asperger's.

Yesterday, they directly said he was "mentally sick". On national air. In the prime time.


I am simply... speechless :(


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18 Dec 2012, 3:12 am

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In previous evenings, news anchors always said that the perpetrator had Asperger's.

Yesterday, they directly said he was "mentally sick". On national air. In the prime time.


I am simply... speechless :(


It makes me feel sick, not just the ignorance, the damage they are doing with it in speech and print.

No reply from the Express newsdesk either but I would imagine they won't have time due to so many other complaints.



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18 Dec 2012, 3:18 am

I tried sending that nice journalist an e-mail but I keep getting error messages "Undeliverable: recipient's mailbox is full".

Maybe it really is full... or perhaps he doesn't use this e-mail anymore.

I will try to find alternative ways... but I am definitely going to write to the media. Even if it's to the generic e-mail address of their office.


UPDATE: I think my e-mail went through. No automated error reply for about 20 minutes now. I hope this means he finally received it. Let's see if he'll respond (if he really got it, he should - he loves talking to people about their problems).


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18 Dec 2012, 5:30 am

the term anti-social is being misused. I believe the correct term is asocial.


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18 Dec 2012, 11:28 am

Unseen wrote:
I tried sending that nice journalist an e-mail but I keep getting error messages "Undeliverable: recipient's mailbox is full".

Maybe it really is full... or perhaps he doesn't use this e-mail anymore.

I will try to find alternative ways... but I am definitely going to write to the media. Even if it's to the generic e-mail address of their office.


UPDATE: I think my e-mail went through. No automated error reply for about 20 minutes now. I hope this means he finally received it. Let's see if he'll respond (if he really got it, he should - he loves talking to people about their problems).


It has probably crashed under the volume of protesting emails.

How did you find his actual email?

I tried down the lists but it just gave one contact for each department.



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18 Dec 2012, 12:24 pm

Altogether a dreadful piece of writing in a sensationalist paper. The adjectives used in the report would make a pulp-novelist proud (IMHO)
Clearly I'm not going to buy a copy of their newspaper any time soon


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18 Dec 2012, 7:42 pm

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the term anti-social is being misused. I believe the correct term is asocial.

I wouldn't use the term asocial to describe us either. If we were truly asocial we'd be like Schizoids, and feel no positive or negative emotions towards other people, nor would we have any desire to be around other people. Schizoids are having a discussion about the same event on another forum. Most of them say they just don't care, some of them say they enjoy the entertain value of the media's reporting of the event and of people's reactions to it, and some of them say that it's completely illogical and can't figure out why someone would do something like this though they feel no emotion for it. I don't resent them though because they can't help but feel nothing, and they have no bad intentions. From my time spent observing their discussions, I have noticed that they generally seem to be more sensible than the average person. I actually have more respect for the sensible people who lack feelings towards other people than I do for the ignorant people who have them.