Hate crime statistics deflate "Islamophobia" myth

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What a surprise. It's pretty much as we thought. Muslims are attacked far less often than people from other minorities - they're targeted less than black people in the U.S. - and the minority groups that are most persecuted are gay people and Jews (some of which, in Europe, are often carried out by violent and uncivilised Muslim immigrants), and attacks on Muslims for being Muslims (it goes without saying that any attack on a minority for being a minority shouldn't happen) simply don't merit a special word when it happens. Especially not one that has been used to silence people critical of Islam.

Comments? It's nice to see that we can let a little reality in to the likes of CAIR's fantastical lies.

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Just appending this story, as it's sort of relevant to the discussion:

Yet they use this excuse all the time to exclude themselves from non-muslims (the infidels). Look at this muslim-only housing development.

http://rouse-hill-times.whereilive.com. ... ourhood-5/

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/nati ... 6549857355

Exactly. Segregation and separation are a common theme of Muslim life in the UK too. In certain towns and cities, you have Muslim areas and non-Muslim areas.

No you have muslim and everyone (including muslim) areas. Non-muslims wouldn't dream of going to a muslim area.

They come to the communal areas to take advantage of work, but then complain about how non-muslim it is. (ie. women wearing skimpy clothing, restaurants serving pork, people drinking and gambling etc)

Our Cronulla riots was partly caused by this, groups of muslim men going to beaches treating the local girls like crap. Even their muslim leaders say that girls in bikinis deserve to be raped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_El-Din_Hilaly

When will western society realise that Islam is incompatible with 21st century society?

They literally live (in their minds) in the middle east of the 6th century. Part of being a muslim is living by the Hadiths. That is, living by the actions and statements of Mohammed. Mohammed, was a man that lived in 570-673 AD. All the beliefs, superstitions, customs and traditions are based on that time. Marriage to children is ok because Mohammed did then. Many of their customs are based on the lack of hygiene and health at the time (read Najasat & Taharat) about using stones after using the toilet - because toilet paper didn't exist. Many of their customs are based on nomadic society (the clothing). They are doing it because Mohammed and his family did it (regardless that it was 1500 years ago), and so should they if they want to be a good muslim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith

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It is interesting to note that Jews are more than twice as likely to be attacked for being Jewish than Blacks are likely to be attacked for being Black.

Even in the U.S. it is not entirely safe for Jews. In other place, however, it is much worse for Jews.

ruveyn

Oh. They hate Christmas too.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/chris ... 2bsr2.html

Some non-Muslims do live in Muslim areas, but these are in many cases people who can't afford to move out or can't afford somewhere better. In general, though, it's segregated up here. There isn't a mixing of people. In many cases people outside work people stick to their own.

As I keep saying: unless the people are allowed to have their say (mass immigration, and especially not mass Muslim immigration, would never have happened if the people had been listened to), we're sowing the seeds of future conflict, tension and intimidation. And this is all down to politicians, who ignore their public with impunity and they're the ones left to pick up the pieces.



To which the correct response is: I invite you to emigrate to Saudi Arabia, and take your bigoted, Dark Age view of the world with you.



That's not forgetting the string of gang rapes committed on Australian beaches by Lebanese Muslim men committed in Sydney about twelve years ago, or the long-running scandal in the UK where gangs of - often middle-aged Muslim men - exploited, drugged and raped underage teenage girls, often those girls who have had a pretty rough start in life anyway. This has been going on in numerous locations where there are large Muslim populations.



I've heard this speech before. I think it's absolutely despicable.

And, yes, in Islam, a woman being raped is always the woman's fault, it seems.



It absolutely is completely incompatible with fundamental freedom, liberty, tolerance and simple respect for human life. It's a religion of the Dark Ages that, unlike Christianity in most cases in the West, simply hasn't really moved on.

Muslims can move on from the 7th Century, can mitigate the effects of their religion (and most do - perhaps even without thinking about it) but the religion itself can't. It's poison and I wish we'd never heard of it.

Yes - there are several European cities where you are virtually asking to be attacked for being an observant Jew, like oh, Malmö in Sweden for instance (and when Jews are attacked, the city's mayor will blame the attack on the policies of the Israeli government!). Horrible, grey place.

The FBI has zero trust in the Muslim community as they specialise in sending criminals loaded with mucho dinero to the mosques in a bid to recruit people for phony terrorist plots designed to create Victories in the War of Terror. Thus, to expand the police state. If I was an American Muslim I'd be very reluctant to report anything to the police...

Discriminative violence and hate crimes arent the be all and end all of discrimination. There is also treatment in the workplace, treatment by public service officials, treatment by private companies and general treatment in the public domain.
I'd be interested to see figures that compare these themes with that of other groups.

Sources of these suggest appalling discrimination in western society
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t7L3ONWjnk[/youtube]

This father reported his concerns about his kid to the police, and guess what the FBI does. They make his kid the star in their new production, War of Terror Victory in Portland, Christmas Tree Bomber foiled at last second. Only that the whole idea of a Christmas Tree bomb was the FBI's and they pestered him incessantly, cajoled and bribed him into it using every psychological technique in the book. The proof that would prove conclusively that the FBI entrapped the kid of course was conveniently not produced as a result of a "dead battery"... yes the FBI is arguing this in court! The recording showing that it was all the FBI's idea they said was not recorded at all because of a dead battery on the listening device. That alone should be grounds for throwing it out of court. Oh, and Portland rejoined some War of Terror project to funnel money into expanding the police state after this little caper. But anyway, the lesson of this story is, if you are a Muslim with a son and you are worried that he is angry and interested in jihad, don't, don't, don't call the police. They are not your friend.

At least in Australia, muslims arn't employed much in office roles in private companies. I'm guessing it is pretty similar in the UK due to their over-representation in small business (taxis, small stores/take aways etc).

In Australia, although there are anti-discrimination laws, it is fine to say a person will not be an fit for the organisation or team. Friday night drinks as well as office parties is still a pretty big thing here (workplaces still provide free alcohol here) so someone that they know will not participate (and possibly object to) in it nor be able to chat to team mates without being easily offended would not be hired in most places. In this area, they only have themselves to blame.

Bring them on. If they were discriminated against regularly, the likes of CAIR would be screaming about it from the rooftops. They're not, because in the vast majority of instances they're either treated fairly or even leniently compared to non-Muslims.

I'll bet you £50 that there is no (or almost) evidence of the discrimination that you go on about, and I bet you any amount of money that black people - called "slaves" in Arabic! - and Jews are more discriminated against. If there is, there would be endless complaining (and no doubt intimidation and violence in some instances too).

I'm still waiting for the Islamists to make their case. They have singularly failed to do so. All these Hamas affiliates are worthy of is open mockery and derision.



If you actually looked at what the journalist said about this story, she said that in the vast majority of cases, Americans were open and friendly to Muslims wearing the hijab. Even when the journalist wore the niqab - you know, the Islamic black tent - more people stared at her (because anyone wearing it is making a spectacle of themselves), but she received pretty much no abuse off anyone.

Back to the drawing board with this.

Here's how 'Islamophobic' westeners are, apparently - produced for an Egyptian fundamentalist Islamic niqab-only TV channel. Fill yer boots!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7aaigRFYxs[/youtube]

I can't believe they think that is discrimination (nijab video).

Who would hire someone who's views are totally different to everyone elses. Especially in the role that woman was applying for (something requiring a commerce degree) would be management or general finance role. That means dealing with a lot of people. May be different if it was a repetitive factory job where your performance is solely the amount of pieces you complete, but no one wants to deal with just eyes 8 hours a day.

Wearing the nijab means you are separating yourself from society. If you want to live so separate from society, why do you expect them to be inclusive of you when it suits you?

The hijab and the burkha are two seperate things. The burkha is the scarf which covers everything but the eyes. Typically they are worn by no one but the most conservative of muslim housewives. Most orthodox muslim women wear only the hijab which leaves the oval of the face visible. I see no reason why a hijab wearer should be excluded from applying from a high profile management job or equivalent, much less the rest of society. The only reason could be wilfull ignorance and bigotry.