The Neanderthal theory, your thoughts?

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The first time I saw it I thought it was strange yet slightly mesmerizing.

Read this
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargat ... ZANA1.html

I don't mind the sound of a motor-bike, but not for extended periods of time.

But often at home when I hear the "thump-thump" of someone playing loud-bass music in the neighbourhood, I hate that sound.

...Maybe a redundant survival mechanism for avoiding Woolly-Mammoth attacks !?

On the claim that Neanderthals were stupid:
Neanderthals were intelligent enough to create tools and clothing, could hunt and bring down larger animals including the Woolly-Mammoth, buried their dead, had a sense of "tribe" or "community", could communicate using spoken sounds and gestures, and would look after the sick, elderly and injured.

Remains of Homo Neanderthal / Homo Sapien Hybrids have been found in Europe, so interbreeding did take place. If fertile offspring were produced...

It would be more likely if Humans and Neanderthals have the same number of chromosomes (23) and share more genes / DNA sequences in identical locations, plus alleles, etc. I.E. the more in common genetically, the less likely Hybrid offspring would be sterile.

Because diagnostic criteria is based on problems and symptoms and not neurology. These symptoms can (and do) have different causes which means that not everybody that get diagnoses actually has the typical autistic genes.



Many parents are not diagnosed but still "have it". Not being diagnosed does not mean you are NT.



You cannot technically talk about a pure subspecies but rather a gradient from Aspie to NT. Although it is interesting to note from Aspie-quiz that the gradient doesn't seem to be a sliding bell-curve, but the superimposition of two different bell-curves for Aspie and NT.



I don't at least. Note that in the spider diagram in Aspie-quiz "IQ" (talent) is on both sides. The current IQ tests are constructed in such a way that they measure both sides and because many blacks lack the Aspie-side, their averages are lower. That doesn't mean they are dumber, it just means that the IQ test is flawed. Of course, IQ tests won't be any less flawed if you remove their loadings on the Aspie-side. What will happen is that the racial gap will become narrower while many more Aspies will be considered mentally ret*d.



See above. There is a connection between a smaller racial gap and lower IQ scores in the autistic population. This cannot be solved with a single IQ-test averaging both types of intelligence while also being fair between blacks and whites and NT and Aspies.



I've seen it posted there (through web-statistics) and I made them aware that the IQ differences where because of autistic genes and not white supremacy. They didn't exactly like that.

I don't think it can. Not if there are a few people pointing out that the "IQ gap" is there because of autistic genes. White supremacists won't suddenly start celebrating autism because most of these guys are NTs. The Bell Curve is an entirely different matter as it says nothing about the background.

Not only that, but mitochondrial disorders are thought to be connected to ASDs. This shows that mtDNA is not arbitrary and that there are co-evolution between mtDNA and nuclear DNA. It is easy to understand what this means in terms of phylogeny based on mtDNA. Phylogenies aren't reliable if there is selection on certain types. The higher occurence of mitochondrial disorders in ASDs can be caused by the loss of Hn mtDNA.

I really hate Ambulances

Yes. But they were still stupid. The Mousterian tool kit is considered much more primitive than the kind of stuff that is produced by H. sapiens.


Not clear at all. The issue is not settled, and I have read respectable sources which oppose the idea that interbreeding took place. The so-called hybrids you are talking about are entirely open to interpretation last I checked.

That picture of the Neanderthal child from RDOS' website looks very different from this wax depiction of a Neanderthal man.



In comparison, this looks more close to a modern caucasion child. That's the problem I have with this theory. It seems to be eurocentrically biased. Who knows if the Neaderthals had blond hair, blue eyes and white skin. This theory just assumes it out of bias. The wax figure looks more asian to me.

Europe was the primary homeland of Neanderthals. Hence, They were generally fairly far north, and they lived their for a long time, so most likely they had adapted skin pigmentation to fit. That is, pale skin in their northern ranges, and more olive skin towards their southern ranges like Palestine. Since the extreme paleness of Europeans is characteristic of the fact that they have inhabited such northern extents for a longer time than other northern populations, there is every reason to suppose that Neanderthals who lived in Europe would have been every bit as white as Europeans from similar areas.

It is actually known that Neanderthals had at least red hair. Genes have been recovered which would have coded for red hair much like moderns. There is no evidence as far as I know for any other kind of hair.

In Hss blue eyes did not appear until 6-10000 years ago. Hard to say with neanderthal though.

Regardless, it is based on the skull from the Gibraltar II Neanderthal.



Of course, the main range of Neanderthals where Europe, even if they probably inhabitated every suitable (colder) zone possible. For instance, they are also in Central Asia, and possibly even in NE Asia. During colder periods they are in Near East and even N Africa while during warmer they were in Scandinavia (Finland).

Do you know which tool kit modern humans used up until Cro Magnon? Yes, that is right, an even more primitive one

Besides, the tool kit should not be evaluated on a scale of primitiveness, but in relation to what they did and how their culture worked. It is also indisputable that Neanderthal had lots of other things that simply do not show up in escavations. Their main use of some tools was to work on wood, this have been shown by analysing micro-patterns.

Neanderthals and Sapiens coexisted Europe for 15.000 years. Neanderthal genome is incomplete, so far is it a close match, there's no noticeable difference. Neanderthals and sapiens were the same specie. They had interbreed capability.

AND WE ARE DISCUSSING IF SAPIENS SAPIENS SUBESPECIE COULD HAVE NEANDERTHAL'S GENES?

HILLARIOUS


LEAVE YOUR GOLDEN RETRIEVER ALONE WITH THE NEIGHBOUR'S POINTER FOR ONE AFTERNOON AND CALL ME IN 3 MONTHS.