Did you watch The Bridge?
I've watched all of the original and the first episode of the remake.
So far, I prefer the original. Maybe it's just because it's more accessible for me as a European, but ... I don't know. The US version is fairly ham-handed about a few things (Look, let's point out how odd the main female character is! And again. And again.), and I'm fairly sure the implications are much different in the remake -- for one, the entire racial issue isn't as prominent in the Danish-Swedish original (for obvious reasons), the border is heavily policed and controlled (again unlike the mostly 'drive-through' border between Sweden and Denmark), and the 'power imbalance' between the investigative forces is much more pronounced in the remake ... I think the Canadian-US border would've been a much closer match, if they had to remake it in the first place, but oh well.
I was also kind of disappointed that they stayed so close to the original -- down to styling choices and the general 'look' of the actors. Saga and Sonya look very alike, Daniel has the same dead-eyed stare in both versions ... I think if they'd diverged more, it might've been more interesting to me.
Interesting. I agree on both issues. Have you seen the original? It's on YouTube and it's very good. They have the scene with changing in the office, but it was not exploitative and it was an empty office at 4am. Her boss is there but stays nothing. He has long hair and the general counter cultural look that in Europe would automatically mean he would not care very much about nudity.
Speaking of which, and on the exploitation front, the original has some scenes of a male actor getting dressed that expose much more than anything in the US show.
Also, the eye contact issue is more that she stares, which works better in her job. There is no moment when her boss says "make eye contact" and no moment when she says " sorry if I didn't use empathy" -- which did seem really off in the US version.
I really thought that the on-screen sex scenes, full nudity sideview (male) and exposed female breasts were the main reason FX decided to reshoot ... that, and more revenue.
Btw -- favourite moment of the original first episode is probably when Martin introduces himself to Saga ("Martin \ ʁ̞oːð̞ˠ̠ \ (*) -- R-O-H-D-E"). Danish pronunciation ftw!
(*) no guarantee for accurate transcription
Last night's episode I think was OK. I think the sex scene could have shown a little more humanity, and not just cold monodimensional portrayal. Even though she is Aspie, there could have been a little more attempt at wanting to want "more" aside from straight sex, maybe some disappointment when the guy decided to leave, even though she said it was OK.. I don't know, just a little more something. It didn't even have to be in front of him, it could have been after he left. Are they trying to say she just doesn't care about such things? I think it is doing an injustice to the portrayal of Aspie women but on the flip side I guess I like that she knows what she wants and goes for it and can be as one-track minded as a guy, but... am I off base here?
I just watched the second episode. She flirted using eye contact in the bar perfectly and very naturally. If the main actress is going to be portrayed as that odd and missing big things, I think she should have more trouble with the little things. Doubt this would matter to most NTs and they will get the story just fine. But more realistic and more comfortable to Aspie girls and women I think if she had just a little trouble with flirting through eye contact. Just looking down occasionally, or staring more, would probably do the trick. Though I'm not an actress. But she seems good, like she could be given a suggestion and could make it work.
This matters, it isn't easy to learn to flirt!
This matters, it isn't easy to learn to flirt!
Thank you for saying this. I was never any good at flirting, couldn't understand what I was supposed to do or what I was supposed to look for in response. I had friends who complained I was a natural flirt (I was just being friendly) and who wondered why I didn't respond to men who flirted with me (didn't know that's what they were doing).
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Agreed. Just because we have trouble connecting to others on an intimate level doesn't mean we don't want to.
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My thoughts exactly. Cross did not fit the female profile of Aspie. Maybe the show would have benefited from a female advisor.
It seems that is the reaction of a number of females, I feel that way too. Though I know females are outnumbered by males and maybe that makes it hard to portray a character who is so much in the minority. But I do think most female Aspies can fit in better on the surface at least. Probably why fewer get diagnosis. I am happy they're trying to portray a female, hopefully they soften up the maleness aspect as the show goes on.
I did watch the pilot, and I will have to watch that again and a few episodes more.
The Swedish show was not perfect but pretty close. It was one of the first times an aspie were portrayed fairly accurate and as a real person with a real job and a life resembling that of a real aspie. I have so much admiration for the creators and writers. It really was something special.
I do have some concerns about the American version. In the Swedish one Saga has some problems that one with AS would (could) have, and learn to minimise and work around in their teens and early adulthood if they were anywhere near the level of functioning that would allow employment in any social setting that involved interaction with others. These things seem accentuated in the American, like they are focused upon when they should have been played down.
The setting between US and Mexico represent a far greater cultural barrier than the originals Swedish and Danish setting. There are small differences between Denmark and Sweden but the situation (high crime rates, drugs, cartels, etc.) in that part of Mexico seems to far from that of Denmark. The terrorist wants to point out social injustice, but that seems a hard feat for the writers of the American version. A US-Canada border would have worked better.
Sonya to me came across as a harsher character than Saga. Taking some of Sagas cluelessness and turning that into harshness is not good either. Saga could have been more polished in the Swedish version, making her less polished in the American is the wrong way to go.
I will have to see a few episodes more before I can give a real opinion...
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