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23 Jul 2013, 5:45 pm

I was raised in a very religious evangelical household. We didn't attend church with much devotion, but fundamentalist thought was foundational to my parents' worldviews. I began doubting it around age 12, after doing some reading on Darwin and evolutionary thought. I took that and ran with it, though kept it to myself. About a year later, I became very scared of going to hell, and I relasped into my faith. I tried very hard to be a "good" Christian--praying, reading scripture, "trusting in God," etc. But it was never the same. I knew deep down that only went through these motions because I feared some eternal punishment. Eventually, through my studying philosophy and religion, I came to what I truly believe in: agnosticism. Not only do I find flaws in religious belief's argument, I feel that I could never believe in some cosmic being.

I know many religious people might find it odd, but I found a peace in agnosticism that I never found anywhere else--along with an argument I find valid. I am all right with the unknown and the unknowable. It doesn't bother me at all.

In recent months, I've been reading up on Zen, Nietzsche, and Camus's absurdism. While I find Zen fascinating, I don't think I can believ in it. Nietzsche is also very interesting, but I'm still not sure what I think about his thought in regards to religion and God. I'm finding myself drawn to Camus and absurdism, though I'm still examining it.

As with my earlier disbelief, my family still knows nothing. I would really like to tell them, but I know that it would crush them, making them feel as though they've failed as parents. Also, I don't think they'd ever accept the fact that I made a free choice to not believe.



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23 Jul 2013, 8:24 pm

Well... to be honest, I'm a Christian, but there's some things I can't be sure of, like what the Earth, universe, etc. are in relevance to what we can see. I believe in the Big Bang, and somewhat in some aspects of evolution, and do not agree with the traditional Christian view of how everyone is individually made and I have trouble with the creation story -- mainly because other cultures have one, and science seems to be answering this a bit. I have a lot of reasoning for this; I won't elaborate on it here. But I am otherwise convinced God exists, and am completely a Christian that believes in the gospel, the Bible, the Rapture, revival coming to the world, and unashamedly will mention it.

I think I find the dedication such as in people like Wilberforce to be captivating, and want to follow the true example of Christ through what I do. It's hard when I'm not sure what to say to people or do. I think of how a lot of people wish that Christianity was more reflected on love, and if nothing else, I think that's where my religious beliefs are. Sorry if my post was a little too "religious", but since this thread asks about it, there it is.



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24 Jul 2013, 9:24 am

Edit: I didn't know about this Dawkins scale, so I looked it up, and I guess I would be a 6.5 or so. I see the probability of God as near-zero. The only thing keeping me from a 7 is the PTSD I describe below.

I am agnostic about everything -- full of doubts -- a skeptic and, thus, an atheist. I weigh explanations and ideas based on probability, and the probability of there being a participant God or spirits or anything supernatural that cannot be explained is very low. I have not personally experienced anything that could not be explained as a product of nature, and while I do not know why I am conscious of only this particular experience in this body, I cannot be sure whether that consciousness is a result of the highly complicated brain and nervous system or if there is some sort of energy that could be called a soul involved -- and what will happen to that energy when the brain ceases to function and then to exist? -- the most likely explanation is that it would disperse, but there is also the small possibility of that energy being inextricably linked together, like in the theory of quantum entanglement, and perhaps entering into another form. I would like there to be some overall reason for my consciousness, but if life has taught me anything it's that things aren't always the way you would like them to be -- in fact, they rarely are. I can't believe something just because I want it to be true.
The Bible and Christianity do not make sense to me because this one, all-powerful, all-knowing God can't seem to get the same ideas across to all of his followers, who taught me so many contradictory and messed up things when I grew up (my mom did not educate me in her beliefs, rather letting the church do it). Due to being agnostic and moreso due to my upbringing, I fear death. If I could know for certain that I will cease to exist when I die, I would not be afraid -- it is the residual effects of being told about Hell over and over again as a child that produces that fear -- more like a phobia. I am slowly unbrainwashing myself, but it will take time and repeated reinforcement of the high improbability of there being such an afterlife as is described in the Bible. It doesn't help that my evangelist mother won't leave me be and frequently reinforces her beliefs when I see her. Unlike many atheists who never really believed or even tried to believe, I feel that I need to shelter myself from religion because it brings back bad memories for me -- I was a very literal-minded, gullible child, and I took seriously the messages that others somehow knew not to take seriously -- the messages of being unworthy, of needing to repent of sins whether or not you knowingly committed them, so that I had an ever-present fear that, if I would die during my sleep and had forgotten about a sin during that night's prayers, I would go to Hell, which was described to me as the worst possible place -- not fire and brimstone, but eternal loneliness and heartache without comfort or distraction.
Now, despite my atheism, when I am exposed to religious preaching or scripture or even Christian music, a sense of dread and then anger passes over me, possibly some form of PTSD. I don't imagine I am the only person with an ASD who took religion too seriously when young since most religions seem to be designed for NTs, with the religious messages being reinforced for the normal people who follow the herd mentality and thus are easily distracted by alternative ideas. I know many NTs who seem to hold several different spiritual ideologies at any given time, and I can't understand that at all. Nonetheless, these methods of Christian teaching only served to torture me mentally and confuse me in my youth.



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24 Jul 2013, 9:42 am

I was raised German Catholic, however when I got to high school and met others of different faiths I started questioning what I was told as a child. By the time I was 18 I had become an athiest.

As there are many different people in this world, I think that reglious beliefs/views would carry over to our segment as well.



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24 Jul 2013, 6:00 pm

Thank you for your replies. I am surprised by the depth of the carefully constructed answers to my questions. I have read every reply at least twice. I plant to reread all the answers at least two more times. You have gave me a great deal of food for thought.


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24 Jul 2013, 6:13 pm

I'm a Robinist. I'm an adherent of the religion of Robinism. We believe in all things Robin including the promotion and preservation of Robin.



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24 Jul 2013, 9:10 pm

I went to a school that taught Christian religion as a kid. If I learned anything it's that if I'm proud of anything I do or say anything positive about myself I will automatically be sent to hell to writhe in agony for all eternity. :roll:



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24 Jul 2013, 9:19 pm

Both of my parents are atheists, so I grew up without any real religious influence. They apparently attended a Unitarian Universalist church while my mom was pregnant for me, but they stopped going before I was born. My dad's third wife, who he married when I was 7, was a Neo-Pagan (basically to spite her traditionally Southern Baptist family). I grew up pretty exclusively around strong anti-theistic sentiments that actually pushed me into agnosticism because of how vitriolic my family was toward religion. Nowadays, I'm pretty much apathetic about the whole matter. I don't give religion of any type much thought, but I'm always happy to talk about philosophical/theological ideas with people so long as they're willing to respect me. One of my close friends in high school was actually an Evangelical Christian.



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24 Jul 2013, 10:22 pm

I wasn't raised religious, called myself an atheist for a while. I had to many life coincidences to call luck. I now call myself spiritual, faithful to God, but not to any religion. I believe that religion was man made. I also believe in what's called intelligent evolution. Basically, change the definition of a day in Genesis to be much greater than 24 hours, and suddenly creationism and evolution start looking similar. Any way, that's my two cents.



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24 Jul 2013, 11:21 pm

I was raised with no religious instruction and am a hard-core atheist; I find the idea of an invisible man floating in the sky who points his finger at things and magically makes things happen to be preposterous, not to mention the incredible number of inconsistencies in his character; he's an all-loving and all-tolerant God who loves us unconditionally but sends us to hell or some other unpleasant eternal afterlife if we've done something wrong. Perhaps not so unconditional after all. Anyway, I have no proof, but I suspect the idea of faith is one of the reasons many aspies find the idea of religion hard to acknowledge; for the most part we prefer solid facts with irrefutable evidence to support them; religion is based entirely on faith and has no strict right or wrong answers. I for one am not comfortable with ambiguity, and I suspect many other aspies aren't either.


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25 Jul 2013, 12:36 am

Fnord wrote:
My beliefs are theistic, but I am opposed to religion.

Sure, go ahead and believe (or not) in whatever god(s) you choose (or not).

Stop trying to convince me that I'm a bad person who is going to Hell just because I don't follow your subjective interpretations of whatever mythologies you consider "Holy".

Well blow me down! you are the last person I expected to be religious Fnord :o
I'm curious how a sceptic like yourself believes in a big hairy old man who on a whim decided to create the earth in 7 days?



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25 Jul 2013, 9:40 am

cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
My beliefs are theistic, but I am opposed to religion. Sure, go ahead and believe (or not) in whatever god(s) you choose (or not). Stop trying to convince me that I'm a bad person who is going to Hell just because I don't follow your subjective interpretations of whatever mythologies you consider "Holy".
Well blow me down! you are the last person I expected to be religious Fnord :o

I am NOT religious.
cyberdad wrote:
I'm curious how a sceptic like yourself believes in a big hairy old man who on a whim decided to create the earth in 7 days?

I'm curious why my theistic beliefs should matter to anyone else.



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25 Jul 2013, 9:43 am

I was raised Christian, but now I am agnostic, in other words, religiously apathetic.


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25 Jul 2013, 9:46 am

cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
My beliefs are theistic, but I am opposed to religion.

Sure, go ahead and believe (or not) in whatever god(s) you choose (or not).

Stop trying to convince me that I'm a bad person who is going to Hell just because I don't follow your subjective interpretations of whatever mythologies you consider "Holy".

Well blow me down! you are the last person I expected to be religious Fnord :o
I'm curious how a sceptic like yourself believes in a big hairy old man who on a whim decided to create the earth in 7 days?


uh... being theistic is not being religious it just means you have a belief in a deity nothing more. Being religious means you follow the entire culture around a specific deity. So believing in a deity doesn't mean he has to being in the Christian view of God.



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25 Jul 2013, 7:46 pm

Strictly agnostic, but open to possibilities.


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26 Jul 2013, 1:09 am

Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
My beliefs are theistic, but I am opposed to religion. Sure, go ahead and believe (or not) in whatever god(s) you choose (or not). Stop trying to convince me that I'm a bad person who is going to Hell just because I don't follow your subjective interpretations of whatever mythologies you consider "Holy".
Well blow me down! you are the last person I expected to be religious Fnord :o

I am NOT religious.
cyberdad wrote:
I'm curious how a sceptic like yourself believes in a big hairy old man who on a whim decided to create the earth in 7 days?

I'm curious why my theistic beliefs should matter to anyone else.

Aologies, I mean't belief in a deity. I don't normally intrude on people's beliefs but I was struck how a self declared skeptic can believe in a deity?