Is it creepy for older men to prefer younger women?

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Is it creepy for older guys to prefer younger women?
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Yes 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
No 58%  58%  [ 23 ]
Depends 30%  30%  [ 12 ]
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22 Jan 2014, 10:42 am

http://www.youngerwomen4oldermen.com/

A dating website, specifically for the hot young blossoms who want to date geezers.



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22 Jan 2014, 10:59 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX34cGcCd24[/youtube]



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22 Jan 2014, 11:06 am

If there is a God, a big gator will eat that crazy ass wing nut.Let's pray on it.


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22 Jan 2014, 12:29 pm

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If there is a God, a big gator will eat that crazy ass wing nut.Let's pray on it.


I'm surprised anyone takes him seriously. It looks like an act to me, a parody of the outdoorsman.



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22 Jan 2014, 5:36 pm

LKL wrote:
I suspect that the proper term is 'sexually tolerant.'


Different people like different things. Just because you aren't sexually attracted to codgers doesn't mean that no-one is.



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22 Jan 2014, 6:00 pm

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Speaking from an evolutionary perspective, the thoughts of the "young women" may not coincide with those of males. From a female perspective (regarding mammals in general) females make a much more heavy personal investment in the birth and rearing of young, hence they need to be more selective in their choice of mate. A man could father hundreds of children in a year if he was some sort of tribal chief with a harem; but a woman is limited to one child in that time. It is in the woman's interests (for the successful perpetuation of her genes) to have a mate who is fit and healthy (which means young / same age) and one who is able to provide for her and her offspring and form a lasting mutually supporting bond. That provision may historically be hunting skills and the ability to keep other males from raping her; in more modern times this may translate into having money and power in which case age becomes less of an issue. Wealthy men with power seem to have no difficulty finding young women as their mates.

So the bottom line is that from a hard-wired evolutionary point of view, men and women have different agendas when it comes to seeking a mate. Sure, modern day lifestyles bear little in common with our hunter gatherer past, but these hard wired attitudes don't change as fast as society and the rules of society.


From an evolutionary perspective, current thinking seems to be that we're actually hardwired, and biologically adapted, for promiscuity:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ_fHrCQOGY[/youtube]

Monogamy (on the part of females) may have come about as an adaptation to an agricultural lifestyle, where men came to identify women as property. A girl would be the property of her father, who, in some cultures, would accept a dowry in exchange for betrothing her. And, he would usually try to arrange for his daughters to be married to good men, who could support them. This remains the case in countries like Saudi Arabia, where marriages are arranged by the parents.

Romantic love is something of a new phenomenon.

Now, in countries influenced by the West, women are on their own to attract their own mates, whether for marriage or for casual coitus. They have to wiggle their tails, flirt, and display their merchandise a bit. In Saudi Arabia, no viewing of the merchandise whatsoever prior to the post-nuptial celebrations.

In our hunter-gatherer past, the identity of a child's father was of no relevance, as the children were raised communally, and no-one could get away with hoarding things for himself.

With agriculture, individual hoarding replaced collectivism. A man wanted legitimate offspring to whom to leave his accumulated wealth. Hence, his women became his sole property, and other men were barred from breeding with them.

Today, a lot of women are seeking to enjoy the primitive sex-in-the-city lifestyle, with group coitus, and now, with the miracle of birth control, may enjoy such activities without the primitive inconvenience of pregnancy.

And, some women still seek the protection and support that a wealthier (and probably older) man can provide.



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22 Jan 2014, 7:43 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
LKL wrote:
I suspect that the proper term is 'sexually tolerant.'


Well, look at the poll results.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt249907.html

The question is: "Which gender and age-range do you find the most sexually attractive/appealing?"

And, the male geezers did pick up a few votes. Some chicks actually prefer us. 8)

Uh, yeah... probably 'chicks' your own age. Most women don't want men more than a decade younger than them, any more than they want men more than a decade older than them.



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22 Jan 2014, 7:47 pm

You know, it's great that polyamorous people aren't being seen as sexual deviants as much anymore, but they seem to have turned around and are now perpetuating the exact same claims on anyone that isn't like them as were once put on them: monogamists are the deviant, unnatural ones, who are just in denial of their own natures and who are deviating from our 'evolutionarily hardwired' way of being.

I'm naturally monogamous. Some women are; some men are. I wouldn't date a man who wasn't. Don't extrapolate from yourself onto everyone else, K?



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22 Jan 2014, 8:10 pm

LKL wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
LKL wrote:
I suspect that the proper term is 'sexually tolerant.'


Well, look at the poll results.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt249907.html

The question is: "Which gender and age-range do you find the most sexually attractive/appealing?"

And, the male geezers did pick up a few votes. Some chicks actually prefer us. 8)

Uh, yeah... probably 'chicks' your own age.


Well, they'd be old hens by now. :wink:

The internet says that young women prefer old men: http://www.prweb.com/releases/KathrynMi ... 871700.htm

So, it must be true. :wink:



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22 Jan 2014, 8:26 pm

LKL wrote:
You know, it's great that polyamorous people aren't being seen as sexual deviants as much anymore, but they seem to have turned around and are now perpetuating the exact same claims on anyone that isn't like them as were once put on them: monogamists are the deviant, unnatural ones, who are just in denial of their own natures and who are deviating from our 'evolutionarily hardwired' way of being.

I'm naturally monogamous. Some women are; some men are. I wouldn't date a man who wasn't. Don't extrapolate from yourself onto everyone else, K?


Well, this is a switch. The monogamous folks are becoming defensive. :lol:

Isn't this model more egalitarian/Feminist, and less Patriarchal, than the one proposed by Mr. Tallyman? Mr. Tallyman's model has women seeking to be sheltered and protected by a dominant man. The new model has people copulating all over the place, without regard to kierarchical constraints. In fact, there are no kierarchical constraints.



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22 Jan 2014, 8:33 pm

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I'm naturally monogamous. Some women are; some men are. I wouldn't date a man who wasn't.


You wouldn't date a man who wasn't "naturally" monogamous?

From the video: ask the man: "When you masturbate, do you look at the same porn star each time?" I have never heard a man who did this. Which means that he is not "naturally" monogamous. He may be monogamous out of personal preference, cultural upbringing, pussywhipping, or whatnot.



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23 Jan 2014, 1:43 am

I don't think masturbating counts, especially if someone doesn't have an actual partner.



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23 Jan 2014, 2:10 am

TallyMan wrote:
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I say it's just instinctive. Younger women tend to be more fertile and produce healthier offspring, so as a result men are sort of pre-dispositioned to be attracted to them. As well, up until relatively recently, people had much shorter average lifespans, so people tended to "grow up" and take on adult responsibilities more quickly, such as producing offspring.

Human society may have changed a lot in the last few hundred years, but evolution progresses at a much, much slower pace. It's sort of like the reason why we're having so many problems with obesity nowadays; humans are pre-dispositioned to crave foods rich in fats and other nutrients, but since it's become so much easier to obtain food without putting any work into it, we eat more while exercising less, and as a result we get fat.

Like it or not, human beings are nothing more than highly-intelligent animals. We like to think of ourselves as not even being in the same category as other animals, but in the big picture, we're still just mammals, just like dolphins and chimpanzees.

Eeyeahh, that totally discounts anything the "young women" in question might think about the issue.


Speaking from an evolutionary perspective, the thoughts of the "young women" may not coincide with those of males. From a female perspective (regarding mammals in general) females make a much more heavy personal investment in the birth and rearing of young, hence they need to be more selective in their choice of mate. A man could father hundreds of children in a year if he was some sort of tribal chief with a harem; but a woman is limited to one child in that time. It is in the woman's interests (for the successful perpetuation of her genes) to have a mate who is fit and healthy (which means young / same age) and one who is able to provide for her and her offspring and form a lasting mutually supporting bond. That provision may historically be hunting skills and the ability to keep other males from raping her; in more modern times this may translate into having money and power in which case age becomes less of an issue. Wealthy men with power seem to have no difficulty finding young women as their mates.

So the bottom line is that from a hard-wired evolutionary point of view, men and women have different agendas when it comes to seeking a mate. Sure, modern day lifestyles bear little in common with our hunter gatherer past, but these hard wired attitudes don't change as fast as society and the rules of society.


@LKL: I'm not a young woman, so I wouldn't really know how they feel about it, to be completely honest. I'm also not trying to imply that it is or isn't creepy for men to be attracted to younger women, just that there's probably some evolutionary reason for men being attracted to younger women.

@TallyMan: I agree, despite the fact that it's been many thousands of years since we've been hunter-gatherers, human beings nowadays are still mostly hard-wired the same way they were back then. We still have the same drives and urges for the most part.



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23 Jan 2014, 2:17 am

If our digestive systems have evolved since the advent of farming (and they have), why couldn't our brains have evolved somewhat as well?



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23 Jan 2014, 2:25 am

LKL wrote:
You know, it's great that polyamorous people aren't being seen as sexual deviants as much anymore, but they seem to have turned around and are now perpetuating the exact same claims on anyone that isn't like them as were once put on them:


Agreed. It's probably an unfair expectation on my part, but I tend to assume that people who know what it's like to be judged for harmless lifestyle choices should know better than to do the same to others.

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monogamists are the deviant, unnatural ones, who are just in denial of their own natures and who are deviating from our 'evolutionarily hardwired' way of being.


And I'll add to that, why the assumption that early human behavior is more natural than modern human behavior? Or that only one pattern of behavior can be natural at any given time?


Aside from the "don't judge others choices" thing, it seems to me that what most people do or try to do (or seem to do) strikes a pretty good balance between the urge to screw around and the urge to have someone to yourself. That is, have casual sex or short term relationships until the novelty of new partners wears off, then use the information gained from that time to figure what kind of person you want to partner up and build a life with.


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23 Jan 2014, 2:39 am

LKL wrote:
If our digestive systems have evolved since the advent of farming (and they have), why couldn't our brains have evolved somewhat as well?


Brains are more complex than digestive systems. It takes longer to make working changes to a complex system than to one that is less complex.