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22 Nov 2013, 11:47 am

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There is no "war" against the poor; just scorn, contempt, anger and derision.

And "poor" is a relative term ... People who are wealthier than I have told me that a person of my "class" is a waste of their time, while people poorer than I have beaten the homeless, and even set them on fire.

Where do you guys find people like this? I've been all over the world; to almost every state in the US; spent time with people at the bottom and with people at the top. I've seen almost none of this.

What I see all the time is poor people bitching about attitudes the wealthy don't have and wealthy people pretty much disregarding poor people entirely. That's why I'd like to see some empirical data. I'm having a hard time accepting the anecdotal evidence that wealthy people are scornful or contemptuous of poor people.


Ever heard the word trailer trash or N***er...

This is just common sense friend...

This needs no empirical references..where in the world have you been living not to have been exposed to this attitude...I'm just curious..as I want to move there...

But seriously.. I live in the deep south..this is republican fundamentalist Christian land at 80% or more..and it is one of the worst places for the contempt of anyone who is perceived as different..or lesser in social status..even inside the churches...

This still happens frequently..HERE..all one has to do is listen to the idle chatter in Super Walmart where i live..

But I am not afraid of ignorance..they know..no better in my opinion..their loss not mine....

As understanding and love is the simple way to bliss..Conflict against others is just human misery is all..in only my opinion....

But I will give you this..as if you were in these places in the military..the military from my observation is one place where people are treated for their merits in achievement..instead of their inherent attributes overall..the military installation was actually a haven for treating all people with respect as compared to my local community...

They took care of their shipmates..that was all..and everyone who was part of the team was a shipmate..no matter what rank and privilege they had in the service...

Maybe that has changed since I left but overall it was great when I was there....


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22 Nov 2013, 12:07 pm

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John Kasich, the Republican governor of Ohio, has done some surprising things lately. First, he did an end run around his state’s Legislature — controlled by his own party — to proceed with the federally funded expansion of Medicaid that is an important piece of Obamacare. Then, defending his action, he let loose on his political allies, declaring, “I’m concerned about the fact there seems to be a war on the poor. That, if you’re poor, somehow you’re shiftless and lazy.”

Well, it surprises that a Republican would say this, but at least Governor Kasich accepts the reality of things. What do you think? Is there really a war on the poor?


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22 Nov 2013, 12:19 pm

thomas81 wrote:

"Is there a class war going on? Damn right, and its my class, the rich class that are winning it"
Warren Buffett


Truth is truth.

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22 Nov 2013, 12:23 pm

If the proletariat eventually gets fed up with its losses, some of the rich b*****s might get guillotined eventually. They had better not get too smug.

A few little crumbs, like Social Security and Obamacare, may actually serve to protect their status and avoid a revolution.



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22 Nov 2013, 12:23 pm

Is there a war on the poor? If you define war as two organisations involved in armed conflict as I do, then no.

Is there an extremely negative attitude towards the poor, possibly brought on by worsening economic conditions, I defiantly believe so.



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22 Nov 2013, 12:26 pm

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If the proletariat eventually gets fed up with its losses, some of the rich b*****s might get guillotined eventually. They had better not get too smug.

A few little crumbs, like Social Security and Obamacare, may actually serve to protect their status and avoid a revolution.


Bloody Revolutions solve nothing. Within 60 years France was back in the hands of the Napoleon Clan. France went through five Republics before it arrived at a stable Constitution. And that was under De Gaul who was certainly no democrat and no socialist.

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22 Nov 2013, 1:25 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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If the proletariat eventually gets fed up with its losses, some of the rich b*****s might get guillotined eventually. They had better not get too smug.

A few little crumbs, like Social Security and Obamacare, may actually serve to protect their status and avoid a revolution.


Bloody Revolutions solve nothing. Within 60 years France was back in the hands of the Napoleon Clan. France went through five Republics before it arrived at a stable Constitution. And that was under De Gaul who was certainly no democrat and no socialist.

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Which is why the wealthy should start worrying. Mobs of angry people with no hope for the future are obviously not going to give two sh*ts about the future.


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22 Nov 2013, 6:13 pm

The funny thing is: through the magic of Fox Noise and Hate Radio, the Rich have recruited legions of poor but amazingly stupid citizens to their side.



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22 Nov 2013, 8:29 pm

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The funny thing is: through the magic of Fox Noise and Hate Radio, the Rich have recruited legions of poor but amazingly stupid citizens to their side.


Wow..this is so true in the area I live..folks would starve to death to make a point...spoon fed to them by a TV..or radio..it's more sad to me than anything..as it truly is their future at stake....for the long run as well as their family....


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22 Nov 2013, 8:33 pm

Oh, I'm so sick of this "the war on" everything. I don't think Obama would know a war if it bit him on the ass! He'd be too busy apologizing to declare war.

But are things harder for the poor? Yep. I'm poor right now and things are harder for me. I've been in this shape for a while and things have always been hard. Do I think the government and society are out to get us? Nope, I don't. Sure, Fox News b*****s about us and says all kinds of stupid ass things but so what? Their target audience feels that way. They take the stance they do for ratings.



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22 Nov 2013, 10:17 pm

aghogday wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
The funny thing is: through the magic of Fox Noise and Hate Radio, the Rich have recruited legions of poor but amazingly stupid citizens to their side.


Wow..this is so true in the area I live..folks would starve to death to make a point...spoon fed to them by a TV..or radio..it's more sad to me than anything..as it truly is their future at stake....for the long run as well as their family....


The states that have the most dire need for Obamacare's Medicaid expansion are the states that are refusing it.



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23 Nov 2013, 2:08 pm

Businesses are putting their money behind the Tea Party Repugnicans

http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-u-busine ... ector.html



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23 Nov 2013, 2:34 pm

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Which is why the wealthy should start worrying. Mobs of angry people with no hope for the future are obviously not going to give two sh*ts about the future.


Even so, after bloody revolutions the Cronies somehow get back on top. The poor do nothing permanent or constructive.

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23 Nov 2013, 4:55 pm

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The poor do nothing permanent or constructive.

Except make babies ... which is why the poor will always be among us.


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23 Nov 2013, 6:47 pm

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It would be interesting to see empirical data regarding the number of times the poor are criticized versus the wealthy.

The poor would win, easily. The best way to demonstrate this is the burden of taxation. There are constant campaigns to reduce tax on the wealthy (in the UK, the top rate of tax was reduced to 45% recently, whilst the poor are being made to pay the "spare room subsidy" or bedroom tax and constantly have their benefits cut). People like it when politicians favour the rich.


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23 Nov 2013, 7:41 pm

The World Bank Organization describes poverty in this way:

“Poverty is hunger. Poverty is lack of shelter. Poverty is being sick and not being able to see a doctor. Poverty is not having access to school and not knowing how to read. Poverty is not having a job, is fear for the future, living one day at a time.

Poverty has many faces, changing from place to place and across time, and has been described in many ways. Most often, poverty is a situation people want to escape. So poverty is a call to action -- for the poor and the wealthy alike -- a call to change the world so that many more may have enough to eat, adequate shelter, access to education and health, protection from violence, and a voice in what happens in their communities.”

So, with that in mind, who are these poor that the war is being waged against?

In other news, did you know that UK only made slavery a crime in 2010? even though in 1807, 25 March: Abolition of the Slave Trade Act abolishes slave trading in British Empire. Captains fined £120 per slave transported.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_ ... y_timeline

empirically speaking, in the US processed animal fats and corn sugar are the cheapest and least healthy food items available for purchase. That's kind of mean.