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Which political ideology do you most identify with?
Liberalism 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
Conservativism 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Libertarianism 11%  11%  [ 5 ]
Neoliberalism 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Neoconservativism 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Fascism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Leftism/ Social Democracy 24%  24%  [ 11 ]
Socialism 13%  13%  [ 6 ]
Communism 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Individualism 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
Anarchism 11%  11%  [ 5 ]
Other/ none of the above 11%  11%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 46

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03 Apr 2014, 5:40 am

From Stannis:

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...on the basis that the opposition lacks discernment... ok.


That's a shameless copout if I've ever seen one. Are you familiar with argumentum ad hominem? It is fallacious to attack "the man", you can only logically proceeding by attacking his arguments. That is a way in which to practice discernment, to discern between informal fallacies and good form in logic.


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03 Apr 2014, 5:42 am

Raptor wrote:
Lukecash12 wrote:
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haha half of votes (3) of people are anarchists. 8)

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Conservativism, although I could have also chosen fascism since that's what conservatives are labeled as by some. :P


Fascists of the theoretical variety are more tolerable than conservatives - at least Fascists acknowledge the need for radical change :lol:



My impression is that most conservatives adopt the label before they know what it means. I think it has more to do with cultivating their sense of identity, than trying to elicit desirable outcomes.


No, that means I'm not bothered or butthurt by the image of jackbooted fascists being associated with conservativism.
Coming from the left I take it as a compliment. :D


If you make the decision that you're only going to govern on behalf of the mega rich, then there is going to be mass resistance. That resistance usually gets suppressed with violence or police state provisions.


This is a gross straw man of the conservative position. Conservatives feel that conservative policy ultimately benefits everyone, not just the rich. Claiming what you claim over and over ad nauseum just succeeds in nauseating everyone, not making an actual point. Conservatism and fascism are in many ways irrespective of each other and conflating the two is not only unfair but very ignorant.

Stannis just doesn't get it. Liberals accuse conservatives of being fascists or nazis and conservatives accuse liberals of being communists. An intended insult from the opposition should always be taken as a compliment.


...on the basis that the opposition lacks discernment, ok.



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03 Apr 2014, 5:43 am

Lukecash12 wrote:
From Stannis:

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...on the basis that the opposition lacks discernment... ok.


That's a shameless copout if I've ever seen one. Are you familiar with argumentum ad hominem? It is fallacious to attack "the man", you can only logically proceeding by attacking his arguments. That is a way in which to practice discernment, to discern between informal fallacies and good form in logic.


I wasn't stating my own opinion, I was showing what I thought it was that Raptor was saying.



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03 Apr 2014, 5:45 am

Stannis wrote:
Lukecash12 wrote:
From Stannis:

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...on the basis that the opposition lacks discernment... ok.


That's a shameless copout if I've ever seen one. Are you familiar with argumentum ad hominem? It is fallacious to attack "the man", you can only logically proceeding by attacking his arguments. That is a way in which to practice discernment, to discern between informal fallacies and good form in logic.


I wasn't stating my own opinion, I was showing that I understood what Raptor was saying.


Oh, sorry about that. I didn't mean to condescend or anything. It seems I seriously misunderstood your post as I read it for the second time now. You hit it right on the button about raptor taking fascism as a compliment, I guess.


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03 Apr 2014, 10:07 am

Lukecash12 wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Lukecash12 wrote:
From Stannis:

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...on the basis that the opposition lacks discernment... ok.


That's a shameless copout if I've ever seen one. Are you familiar with argumentum ad hominem? It is fallacious to attack "the man", you can only logically proceeding by attacking his arguments. That is a way in which to practice discernment, to discern between informal fallacies and good form in logic.


I wasn't stating my own opinion, I was showing that I understood what Raptor was saying.


Oh, sorry about that. I didn't mean to condescend or anything. It seems I seriously misunderstood your post as I read it for the second time now. You hit it right on the button about raptor taking fascism as a compliment, I guess.


Wait till we get a really hot thread going. The s**t really starts to fly and there is trolling, personal attacks, ad hominem attacks, strawman attacks, red herrings, hurt feelings, etc, etc......


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Conservativism, although I could have also chosen fascism since that's what conservatives are labeled as by some. :P

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