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Erlyrisa
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03 Mar 2007, 1:18 am

The opposite of AUTISM?

I wonder if pyschologists like to categorize all parts of the population, and corellate behaviour and symptoms to diatic spectrums.

eg. the opposite of Autism

-Person would be overly interested in pushing thier feelings on everyone around them.
-They would feel that everyone should feel the same.

*Do you remember those kids that were just too kind. The ones that felt that they should be class captain so that everyone would feel as they do. The ones that start up those 'support groups' even though they aren't afflicted with anything. The ones that would organise, and be teacherrs pets.
-I wreckon they are afflicted with what would be the opposite of Autistic syndromes.

Thier learning abilities were usually affected too.... they would only be able to 'understand' a concept but not actually follow the logic behind it.

They also had difficulty with the NT relationship.... thier very faithfull adherance to rules/authority and the veiw to other peoples emotions would usually have them cast from any real fun activities. (You know those kids that were labelled dibby dobbers)

They could eat anything -- I picture one of thse class captian types commenting on the age of a cheese at one of his organised support group meetings.

They weren't torured, but they would be teased as any other kid- but because there social cognition actually seemed more adpet, they could usually retaliate against teasing therfore not being overly teased., they were only shun from activities which NT's knew could get them into trouble, and knew that this type of person would tell the authority.

They had an affinity for going places.... every school excursion they where the ones that had researched everything about the location, even the route you were taking on the bus.




Just a postulate to start discussion! - it made me think after that 'Holocaust for Aspie thing'



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03 Mar 2007, 1:28 am

My husband is kind of like that. He's more emotional and empathetic than even most women. He cries at movies all the time. When he was a kid, he used to get into a lot of fights because he would start a fight with any kid that was picking on another kid. He also loves loud music and tons of people. Before we started dating, he was going out to clubs 5 nights a week.

I can say pretty confidently that he's basically my perfect opposite.



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03 Mar 2007, 1:42 am

That's right - that's the kind of person I'm talking about!

-There was a kid in my primary school which was as I described above, everyone liked him, but then again they didn't.

Then there was another kid of similar traits in Highschool - where he was everyones freind, but no-ones. Every lunch time he would run around greeting people like a politician.


--I think these type of people have never been observed as being suseptible to any type of disorders.... but I have observed that the ones that I know of an thier adult counterparts are usually, a little bit 'not on the noggin' when it comes to understanding the overall felling of people, because they don't take logic into account. eg. their the anti smoking campaigners, the doggy doodoo patrol. -they feel that everyone would be hapier if there wasn't any doggy doo in parks, but they don't take into account the logic of having to deal with keeping everyones dog's bum's corked, nor the actual feeling of the average dog walker, which would rather beleive that the average feeling is that the occasiional stepping in doggy soo because I was too lazy to make my go go near the tree ain't such a big deal.



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03 Mar 2007, 3:23 am

Williams syndrome is considered to be the opposite of autism in some ways, but it is also similar to it in others. I assume that the same areas of the brain are atypical, but in different ways:

"Williams syndrome shares some features with autism (such as difficulty understanding the state of mind of conversational partners... although persons with Williams generally possess very good social skills, such that this condition is sometimes called "cocktail-party syndrome". Temple Grandin, author of Thinking in Pictures, has claimed that the brain abnormalities of Williams syndrome are the opposite of those of autism." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_syndrome)

"What is unique to Williams Syndrome, however, in contrast to other forms of developmental disability, is a rich, expansive, grammatically complex vocabulary with striking conversation and richly expressive story telling skills. Equally as striking, in contrast to the usual behavioral handicaps of autism, is the extremely out-going, friendly, polite, expressive social skills that Williams Syndrome persons show. They are typically unafraid of strangers and show a greater interest in contact with adults than with peers." (http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/ ... llsynd.cfm)

There are a lot of interesting similarities and complete opposites involved, and somewhere there is a book about that. One thing that I found interesting is that the lack of spacial concept in WS makes it difficult to impossible for them to assemble jigsaw puzzles.



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03 Mar 2007, 3:36 am

When I was a child I liked to talk to adults more than peers. I like to talke to older people more than younger people now unless the person in question is a really cute, but of age, girl... like Connie.



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03 Mar 2007, 3:51 am

nice research!

Pretty much hit it on the nail.

-I wonder though if there is a more phscholigical version of this syndrome (It seems more like the opposite to Autism Svante rather than just Asperger's)

...I don't think the people I observed where very good at music, I'll admit they were OK but normal people seemed better.


--actually some-one has already had thoughts about the opposite of asperger's........

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- I don't like re-edit ing but I had some thoughts....

sensory deprivation is bad for the Asperger's opposite,,,, maybe sitting in a quiet room is the last thing that they can handle.



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03 Mar 2007, 10:17 am

Also, people with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS) and Reactive Attachment Disoder seem to be overly friendly, especially with strangers. Kids with RAD are not bonded to their parents, but often strike up inappropriate interactions with random strangers, often touching them inapppropriately. Neither know the concept of a "stranger." They have been known to go off with people they met literally five minutes before, because in their logic, "He's not a stranger. I talked to him on the bus."

Regarding the former, I was erroneously called "teacher's pet" because I was interested in my studies. I think I was, in other ways, the farthest thing from the teacher's pet. My teachers respected me for being hard-working, but only a few actually liked me. I basically charted my own course. I wasn't interested in becoming "class captain," in any capacity.



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03 Mar 2007, 11:35 am

Wow, this describes someone near and dear to me to at T, God love him/her. Explains a lot ... maybe ... :lol:



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03 Mar 2007, 8:08 pm

Ithe conformists, the politician types with great social skills but little understanding of the inner workings of themselves or others. Autisitics/aspies have trouble understanding others but its a different misunderstanding. We are analyze their behavior in depth. These conformist politicians take all behavior and society for granted, because society is who they are. Just as us getting our identity from being an individual causes problems with relating to others, their getting their identity from society causes problems when trying to relate to themselves or other people on the inside

You know what, it just hit me. This is a description of a girl I dated. THe only difference is that generally when I think of this "cocktail party syndrome" person, I usually think of a really talkative and outgoing person. The difference is that the girl I dated was quiet and shy. But she got all of her identity from others, and had almost no awareness of any depth to her own motives or the motives of others.


Getting your values from others can and often is a good thing, because when others are happy, they are happy, so they try to help people. The bad side is when, like was said above, they try to get everybody else to do what they are doing because thats the only way they can be content. And so they seek to control others, because if they don't, they don't feel like they have any value.

My old girlfriend was the former. She got her value from helping others, which goes along with her being shy and quiet. But because she had a kind heart and was quiet, I mistook her for being introspective. I couldn't have been more wrong. She was the exact opposite of me.


Wow, I am really glad this topic got posted. I have never thought of it this way. This really helps me understand people better.



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03 Mar 2007, 8:24 pm

I disagree.

The people who are "fixers" are frustrated with the fact they can't fix themselves or their family of origin. Nurses fit this category. Society is running out of nurses because of the 12 steps where they learn to share their experience, strength & hope and let go. They don't need to act out this compulsion to "fix".



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03 Mar 2007, 9:59 pm

yes that is also a motivation people have. I think I do that a bit myself. I felt so depressed for a long time that I want to meet other people who struggled so I can help them. But its a problem because I feel like I can't relate to people unless they've been hurt.



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04 Mar 2007, 3:59 am

The concept certainly makes sense. If Autism is a spectrum (and at one end) then there would have to be something at the other end would there not?

I know of an example that fits this concept very well (I won't go into specific details though; confidentiality is a must!). There was a person at the school I once attended who sounds much like you have described. They would attend absolutely anything to do with the school from excursions to weekend meetings and outer-school activities and they would always spend the majority of their time trying to convince others to do the same. In fact the points you described all fit this person well.

If what you have suggested is not currently classified then I think you may be on to something... :wink:



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04 Mar 2007, 6:05 am

Thought I add some more descript examples and hypothesis...


HYP:
A. The opposite aspie (OppASP or AS¯) is more prevalent than the Aspie ... because of their outgoing nature and tendancy to 'float' around social scenes.
B. The NT veiws the AS¯ as nothing more than a 'motivated person' , eg Hanoi Jane ... alot of the time the AS¯ives logical coherance toward thier current motivation is flawed, and therfore NT's can find them to be 'wrong' or 'ill-informed'.
C. An AS¯ realises alot of the time that they 'are not normal' but will usually 'blame the motivation' of societys/friends apparent contempt toward them, instead of looking toward any possible logical explanation.
D. A pre-requisite for an AS¯ is to be 'the social entity', un-social AS¯'s will suffer from depression/anxiety if they are unable to partake in society as a 'debuntante queen' then thier first strategy is to move onto another scenario where being so is possible... after multiple attempts and failure they could have a high disposition to suicuide (the NT would normally ,figure , that they aren't the organisational type of person so become content at just being a 'cog in the machine') eg. Anna Nicole Smith. (all right bad example)


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Many upon many 'socialising artists' are like this ,and alot of the time the only reason they are artists is because the had found a group of people that conform to thier niche motivation. "Greenday" the band comes to mind as suffering from classic symptoms and 'Vocal' famous actors also come to mind , eg. Susan Sarandon. .. the AS artist, is usually the lone artist, the painter, the photographer.
Many AS¯ives will find it hard to stay in the one occupation,, unless it provides enough diversity in social interaction ... eg Politician but not a door to door salesman (The salesaman always interacts the same way, social diversity is not defined as being diverse amongst a myriad of individuals, but a diversity in social interactions eg. you will find that an AS¯ will not want to meet with a person that they may have already conversed with even at times will not meet with a particular demographic individuals/groups inwhich a specific format of interaction has already been divulged)



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04 Mar 2007, 6:28 am

Simpsons::

Martin Prince - the nerd Lute Playin teachers pet, fits the AS¯ typeset, in most cases.



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04 Mar 2007, 6:39 am

To me asking for the opposite of Autism is like asking for the opposite of quantum physics. :?



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04 Mar 2007, 6:44 am

maldoror wrote:
To me asking for the opposite of Autism is like asking for the opposite of quantum physics. :?


General Relativity! :D