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19 Sep 2014, 1:03 pm

My realization that I was different became extremely apparent to me when I became junior high school age. I often gave it considerable thought as to why I was not like the majority of the kids in school. Although I noticed these differences, did I wish to be like them? No. I had no desire to be like the rest of the kids. I was happy being myself. But I often contemplated my uniqueness. Eventually I began to wonder if I was not some one of a kind person. After learning of Asperger's as an adult, I felt a sense of relief that there was a name for my condition, and that there were others like me. I belonged to a group, even if the diversity within it was vast. I still have no desire to be like the neurotypical population.


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19 Sep 2014, 2:53 pm

Thanks for the replies and experiences so far. I guess I originally posted this question, and still obsess over being like others, because I have always felt very inferior to other people. Everyone tells me that I shouldn't, because I have accomplished so much, but I still do. I guess I feel that if I was like others, then I would be as good as them and feel as good as them, and not feel inferior.



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19 Sep 2014, 3:01 pm

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I guess I originally posted this question, and still obsess over being like others, because I have always felt very inferior to other people.


Do you only feel inferior to the NT population?

I feel inferior to the NT population because of their social skills and ability to form relationships, and the Aspie population because of their intelligence. So much so that I sulk for days about it all.

I wouldn't say that I obsess about it though. I just kick something in the end and feel better.


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19 Sep 2014, 3:31 pm

I never used to give a hoot about being accepted or fitting in. I was who I was and I accepted myself happily. I knew I was different but I also thought I just another variant of normal so I thought "well, I'm not like that. so just let me do things my way". I never saw anyone I wanted to be like, and I didn't mimic anyone.
Realizing there was actually something something wrong with me (as opposed to being different) was a shock and now I am very preoccupied with what is normal. I don't accept the same things about myself anymore. I'm not obsessed with being normal (not from an aspie POV anyway) but it is something that is on my mind quite a bit. It bothers me to not be normal.


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19 Sep 2014, 10:00 pm

babybird wrote:
ProfessorJohn wrote:
I guess I originally posted this question, and still obsess over being like others, because I have always felt very inferior to other people.


Do you only feel inferior to the NT population?

I feel inferior to the NT population because of their social skills and ability to form relationships,


I was only diagnoses with Asperger's in April and know only one other person with Aspergers personally, although I have been on this site off and on since June or so. My point is, I don't know enough Aspies to know how I feel compared to them. People tell me I am intelligent, I did get a Ph.D and work as a professor. I feel inferior to NTs at least because I wasn't good at sports growing up (I did run 2 marathons as an adult, though), wasn't popular in school, didn't do very good in the romance department, never heard of anyone having a crush on me in school, things like that. It still bothers me that I don't have a great dating history like many other adults do, even though I am now married and have been for 14 years. I can't look back and feel like I had a normal high school and college experience.



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19 Sep 2014, 10:23 pm

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The thing that bothers me is just what is the definition of normal? From what I've seen in the DSM, it never gives a concrete definition. Neurotypical I sorta get (besides, since when are musicians NT? Ya keep strange hours, you spend most of your waking hours in a practice room or on the road, etc.) Just what constitutes normal?


I think it comes from "A treatise on man and the development of his faculties" . I don't know which link to post, so I just mention the title.
Normality comes, I believe, from "the average man", a concept introduced by Adolphe Quételet. It's not at all about what's better, it's about what's easier. That, and imitating others. SO there's self-renforcing trends that just appear and disappear. What's normal now may be pathological in the future, just like what is now pathological was normal then (wrt psychology).



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19 Sep 2014, 10:42 pm

Certainly as a young kid I was horrified by the thought that I was "weird" and "not normal" - partly because people kept reminding me that that I was "weird" and "not normal." But, at some point I came to accept that I was different. Learning that I have Asperger's is a major breakthrough in giving me a clearer picture why I can't be just like everyone else.


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19 Sep 2014, 11:04 pm

For most of my life I always saw most others as kind of stupid, not out of lack of intelligence but because they didn't seem to think. They would accept everything they heard and were highly illogical. They would call me stupid, then turn around and do something totally idiotic and get away with it. For a long time I had little desire to be social or fit in, as I didn't want to be considered one of them. My only friends were other loners that thought similarly to the way I did and had similar interests. Other than that I was pretty much fine having no friends, other than the fact that I wanted someone I could have a conversation with and play games and such.

My junior year is when I really started trying to be normal. That was when I started having a desire to be liked by others, but everyone I tried to be friends with ended up avoiding me for some reason. I kept trying for a while, but when I got to college, I couldn't handle everything that was happening and I just shut down. Then is when I realized I must be more than just different, and I started trying to figure it out. Took me about 10 months, but I finally ended up here.


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19 Sep 2014, 11:31 pm

Nah. More occasionally bummed out about being so different, but then I move on from it.


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20 Sep 2014, 3:39 am

No. I'd rather just get on with my life than obsess about being "normal". In my opinion, there's no point crying about it. You just have to learn how to cope and deal with the way you are and Asperger's. My brain is wired differently but I can't connect it to the way a "normal" person's brain is.



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20 Sep 2014, 4:00 am

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I was only diagnoses with Asperger's in April and know only one other person with Aspergers personally, although I have been on this site off and on since June or so. My point is, I don't know enough Aspies to know how I feel compared to them. People tell me I am intelligent, I did get a Ph.D and work as a professor. I feel inferior to NTs at least because I wasn't good at sports growing up (I did run 2 marathons as an adult, though), wasn't popular in school, didn't do very good in the romance department, never heard of anyone having a crush on me in school, things like that. It still bothers me that I don't have a great dating history like many other adults do, even though I am now married and have been for 14 years. I can't look back and feel like I had a normal high school and college experience.


I thinks it's probably best that you focus on the here and now, rather that what has gone. A lot of people have a sh***y time of it at school for one reason or another, whether they are Aspie or NT.

I've never been married, not even close and I can't ever see it happening. My track record where relationships are concerned are nothing to be envious of, but there's not much I can do about that.

Sometimes I wish I was NT, but I don't obsess about trying to imitate NT's because that would probably land me in more trouble than my little mind could handle.

I'm 41 now and going on about 18 or 19 (very young for my age) and I have a 22 year old daughter with AS who I have to look after.

Life is not (and never will be) straight forward for any of us. But we are who we are and we all have to make the best of that.

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20 Sep 2014, 10:14 am

I was very obsessed about being normal when I was 10-12. I used to read lot of books on social skills that were made for small children. It was mostly etiquette books like 'Let's taking about being a bad sport" "Let's talk about showing off." I would read this stuff so I would know how not to act and what not to do so I won't come off wrong. I was accused of showing off so I was reading that book to understand it more. I say me caring what others thought of me and caring about being misjudged and wanting respect and wanting to have friends is what made me change.


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20 Sep 2014, 12:41 pm

I'm obsessed with being "normal," to an extent, but I have no motivation to actually follow through on becoming normal....I still stim and have special interests unusual for my age group, and love stuffed animals. So, it's like I sort of DON'T want to be normal, and can see myself being absolutely miserable and repressed if I were to magically become normal, but I still want it anyway, if that makes any sense. :roll: I'm a mess. :lol:


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20 Sep 2014, 1:15 pm

When I was younger I thought there was such a thing as normal. Now I know that there is no such thing as normal. Everyone has something about them that others would not consider normal. As far as fitting in. I always knew that was not possible. I was satisfied just to sit in the dug out while the others played the game.


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20 Sep 2014, 3:06 pm

No, because I'm too busy obsessing over other things, LOL.



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20 Sep 2014, 3:56 pm

I, my self have no desire to want to be NT but I feel that I have to be NT in order to survive. Because of my aspergers. I can't get a job, I have few (if any) friends and I am not married. Living your whole life like and alien who crashed landed and got marooned on earth and trying to adapt to the lifestyles of the indigenous species starts to take it toll on you as a person. Especially when you are meant with one failure after another.