Should people marry? It seems that God would forbid it.

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18 Dec 2014, 12:24 pm

Should people marry? It seems that God would forbid it.

Christian scriptures say that in heaven, there is no marriage.

When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
http://biblehub.com/mark/12-25.htm

As above so below, on earth as it is in heaven, indicates that when God returns to reclaim dominion from Satan, marriage will be abolished.

Why then do most religion of the Abrahamic root advocate marriage at all. Especially the polygamy. God does not favor marriage. If no two souls are to marry in heaven, then the law on earth should be that no two people marry.

We should emulate Jesus in all things and remember that as a Jew, he was almost forced by tradition to marry yet never did even though Gnostic Christian scriptures show him as loving Mary Magdalen more than his male disciples. Even kissing her on the (unknown parts). That is why I suggest that Jesus married Mary. Marriage was expected of all Rabbis.

This modern Gnostic Christian thinks marriage is the way to go, with a single mate, be that a mate of the same gender or not. Love is what is important. Not gender. That aside, I think that frees choice should reign in this issue.

Do you think we should abolish marriage and move closer to God’s heavenly law?

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18 Dec 2014, 12:35 pm

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Do you think we should abolish marriage and move closer to God’s heavenly law?

Yes, but as you pointed out, not until "God returns to reclaim dominion from Satan."



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18 Dec 2014, 2:41 pm

IF Jesus existed as real man at that time in history marriage was a requirement and not an option.

The Kingdom of heaven is already now, for those with eyes and hears who 'SEE' it within, outside, above and so below, as suggested AND REPORTED AS SUCH in the Gospel of Thomas.

Science shows per the limited research that does exist per human sexual nature, that only less than half of human beings, who do include females, are innately MONOGAMOUS.

AS THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS suggests circumcision is a totally natural waste of time as humans are born that way gifted by god with that extra 20% of penile human flesh for protection from the elements when one strips down naked without shame and sees GOD within as a totally natural force NOW.

I'm a naturist at heart AND ACTION, EVIDENCED AS SUCH, AND IT really pisses me off now that some silly historical human beings that were trying to separate humans from the rest of nature and the animal kingdom started that stupid tradition to cut off that piece of penile meat that serves as protection from environmental elements when one goes 'Au Naturale'.

But at least marriage, DIVORCE, AND CIRCUMCISION IS an option in TRUE nations that live under the FREEDOM OF GOD aka Mother Nature True, OVERALL, LIKE the good 'ole USA WHERE people at least have a choice when it come to their children and themselves per marriage and divorce, but nah, not much of one still, by the brainwashing of good old time religion AKA the Anti-Christ as is or the devil or whatever metaphor one wants to uses for going against Mother NATURE TRUE AKA GOD.

God is the GOD of diversity of all of THAT IS above so below, inside and outside, and to relegate human beings, overall, to just one mate, is simply going against Mother Nature True aka GOD.

And to do that, is to pay the consequences of REAL natural sin, per lesser human diversity, and the lesser potential of the Human Species, overall, surviving environmental challenges for the LONGEST OF RUNS ON THE PLANET EARTH.

If only Thomas 37 COULD REPLACE JOHN 3:16 THE WORLD could BE A MORE PEACEFUL AND LOVING PLACE BUT in some ways that is already happening, behind closed doors at least, in a virtual way, as science now reports for the approximately 50 percent of males and 33 percent of females that do browse pornography in a virtual way, when away from their home at work, and for some that makes an opportunity and potential of NOT getting caught by their marriage owners in exercising their GOD GiVEN human nature, 'at hand'.

My wife and I do that together or for me alone as I please, and that is why our marriage has happily lasted for almost 25 years, as we adjust to culture and to GOD to make it work.

And on top of that I am happy in the flesh and blood way with just one mate, as that appears to be my innate nature, as well.

And yeah, when I do my renaissance male nude art, THAT JUST SO HAPPENS TO BE another one of my ALL ENCOMPASSING SPECIAL INTERESTS WITH SEVERAL THOUSAND PHOTOS AND approaching 10K views on a totally legal and restricted Internet human ART avenue FOR THAT and WHEN any of my fundamentalist good old time religion so-called friends OR acquaintances get hmm.. uncomfortable about it, I just quote and PASS this Thomas 37 verse to them.

And they say, well, it's not in the New Testament, and then I go on to give them a history lesson about Constantine and how he and his early Roman Catholic Cohorts censored the GOOD GOD OF MOTHER NATURE TRUE STUFF OUT, to control the herd through subjugation of illusory fears.

AND through oppression and repression of the HErD's GOD AKA Mother Nature True Given human nature, to build bigger churches AND ROMAN EMPIRE AND PAD THE DESIRES OF FOLKS LIKE CONSTANTINE TO PROMOTE himself TO SUN GOD by erecting a giant statue of himself.

AND making a humble philosopher and ZEALOUS TEACHER like the historical man Jesus, if he did live historically as such, INTO A FRIGGING SUN GOD SOLDIER GOD AS WELL to rule the Universe as King of the Universe, which is completely opposite to what HE WAS TRYING TO DO, as reported as such, TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT THEY CAN HAVE WHAT HE HAS TOO per the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN NOW AS IS inside, outside, above so below.

FORTUNATELY some of US still GET IT, EVEN without reading sacred text, like the American Indians and millions more throughout history of living TRUE with MOTHER NATURE TRUE AKA GOD.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

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37) His disciples said to him, "When will you be visible to us,
and when shall we behold you?"
He said, "When you strip naked without being ashamed, and
take your garments and put them under your feet like little
children and tread upon them, then you will see the child of the
Living, and you will not be afraid."


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18 Dec 2014, 3:04 pm

Allow me to be a little more pragmatic and less philosophical / religious about it.

Church teaches that sex outside of marriage is sinful.
Church teaches that all marriage must be blessed / performed under the auspices of the church.
Want to have sex? You therefore need the church.

No matter how many logical inconsistencies there are in the bible or other religious texts, or between those texts and the actual religious practice taught by churches and other religious institutions they'd not matter even one iota to either the church/religious institution, or to the true believers. Logic and religion are mutually exclusive. This is also why religion tolerates and practically embraces nearly puritanical levels of hypocrisy - see Catholic Church tolerance of sexual abuse scandal and efforts to protect the sinner priests and bishops.



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18 Dec 2014, 3:45 pm

ScrewyWabbit wrote:
Allow me to be a little more pragmatic and less philosophical / religious about it.

Church teaches that sex outside of marriage is sinful.
Church teaches that all marriage must be blessed / performed under the auspices of the church.
Want to have sex? You therefore need the church.

No matter how many logical inconsistencies there are in the bible or other religious texts, or between those texts and the actual religious practice taught by churches and other religious institutions they'd not matter even one iota to either the church/religious institution, or to the true believers. Logic and religion are mutually exclusive. This is also why religion tolerates and practically embraces nearly puritanical levels of hypocrisy - see Catholic Church tolerance of sexual abuse scandal and efforts to protect the sinner priests and bishops.


Well, actually that does not seem very pragmatic considering one CAN first take the definition of religion into account before ACTUALLY proceeding to logically and pragmatically assess the topic of religion and church, overall.

First of all, Gnostic Christianity is not the Christianity that is seen as Christianity in our modern times, and some folks do still practice the old type of gnostic Christianity NOW that says marriage IS NOT A REQUIREMENT IF FOLLOWED BY THE TEXT OF GOSPEL OF THOMAS, PER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS NOW.

SO EVEN WITHOUT a definition of Religion your point about marriage is incorrect from the get go.

And here is the definition of religion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

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A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that are intended to explain the meaning of life and/or to explain the origin of life or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle. According to some estimates, there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world.[1]


While technically most people do not refer to modern science as religion some people most certainly do PRACTICE IT AS RELIGION AS THE FOLLOWING VIDEO DOES EVIDENCE.



THERE IS little appreciable DIFFERENCE depicted IN THESE FOLK'S PASSION ABOUT SCIENCE OR FAITH IN WHAT the study of science PROVIDES PER AN organized collection of beliefs AND SACRED HISTORIES THAT ARE intended to explain human nature that folks who passionately study science like this derive morality, ethics, and laws of nature for a preferred lifestyle of understanding mother Nature same as 'GOD' and master of us VS many other frigging religions as is.

Sure there are SOME differences here and there but the overriding premise is GOD and or Mother Nature True rules and orders over us per the laws of either or.

It's just frigging semantics per the structure of a 'PERFECT' 6 LETTER WORD LIKE NATURE OR JUST A THREE LETTER ONE like god.

Some folks have a little GOD divided up into trinities and such as that, and some folks have ONE REALLY BIG ONE LIKE MOTHER NATURE TRUE.

CLASSICAL PANTHEISM, WHICH CAN BE PRACTICED IN CHURCH AND AS A RELIGION, DOES NOT RULE OVER EITHER MAN OR MOTHER NATURE, per just another example of religion and church that nullifies your premise about the marriage rule in religions Universally as such. :)

TRUE RELIGION PER MOTHER NATURE TRUE AND TRUE LOGIC ARE ONE AND SAME, and other observances ARE NOT CORRECT, IN MOTHER NATURE TRUE AS IS.

BUT what MUST BE UNDERSTOOD FOR TRUTH is there is types of human logic WHICH INCLUDE NON VERBAL SENSES AND EMOTION that ARE NOT RULED AT THIS TIME BY SCIENCE.

THIS IS THE SAME TRUTH AS ALWAYS FOR THE PURSUIT OF TRUTH forever now.

And the ability to understand that last part is directly AND INDIRECTLY related to the 'size' of one's CONSCIOUS AND SUBCONSCIOUS awareness and experience of Mother Nature TRUE aka GOD.

AND YES, IT CAN GET MUCH DEEPER THAN THAT PER THE OCEAN THAT CAN BE HUMAN AWARENESS AND EXPERIENCE that some people may never experience as no one has proven yet that GOD or Mother Nature TRUE is FAIR.

FAIR IS A HUMAN CONSTRUCT JUST AS THE 3 letters GOD and 6 letters Nature is.

God plays by GOD's rules, not those of 'silly little humans' who attempt to anthropomorphize a three letter word into their OWN CREATION OR SCIENTISTS AND OTHERS who think they know all there is to know about ALL THAT IS, through the device of human abstract concepts.

AS the science video shows linked above by rock stars of science now and history past, humans are but a speck OF ALL THAT IS.

BUT IT IS BETTER TO BE A grain of sand, than to not exist at all per what 'GOD said' shortly before the BIG BANG as metaphor only as GOD IS both a non-verbal and verbal GOD. ;)

First tHere IS dark, then light, then movement as dance, and sound as song, to keep the dance of creation going.....

And the dance goes on......

FOR NOW.


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18 Dec 2014, 5:09 pm

Humanaut wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
Do you think we should abolish marriage and move closer to God’s heavenly law?

Yes, but as you pointed out, not until "God returns to reclaim dominion from Satan."


Yes.

What of those who would have more than one wife?

In political terms, does it give other blood lines an advantage?

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18 Dec 2014, 5:48 pm

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What of those who would have more than one wife?

In political terms, does it give other blood lines an advantage?

Yes and no, but not necessarily in that order.



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19 Dec 2014, 10:22 am

Apologies for going past your pay scale.

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19 Dec 2014, 10:25 am

I have yet to see any deity, be it one I believe might exist or otherwise, "forbid" anything. Last I checked "forbidding" is a man-made concept.

Past that, I don't see the point of this conversation. People do what they think will make them happy. If enough people think it'll make enough people happy then it becomes social convention, and when social conventions last longer than a few generations those conventions enter spiritual observances in the form of mandates, commandments, etc.

Personally, I'm a fan of arranged marriages. But then, I've never been in one.


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19 Dec 2014, 11:32 am

The bible also says to be fruitful and multiply. So we need to abolish marriage and still be fruitful and multiply. Maybe those baby factory welfare mothers, who have 12 kids from 10 different men, are actually the spiritually enlightened ones. Who would have thought?



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19 Dec 2014, 12:34 pm

Cash__ wrote:
The bible also says to be fruitful and multiply. So we need to abolish marriage and still be fruitful and multiply. Maybe those baby factory welfare mothers, who have 12 kids from 10 different men, are actually the spiritually enlightened ones. Who would have thought?


Yes.. SO CALLED WELFARE QUEENS are MASTERS of creation and reflect GOD as is as Mother Nature True. :)

And I'm dead serious.

Hmm.. I mean alive serious. ;)

AS F-KING got me here.. and those who do it with MORE of a variety of folks create more diversity than those who do it with one or less......

My mother only did it with ONLY one.. but truly I would LOVE to have more than one DIVERSE SISTER DIAGNOSED WITH ASPERGER'S SYNDROME.. BUT UGH! MY MOTHER WAS CATHOLIC AND GOT DIVORCED and like a 'good' Catholic Girl never even re-married...

AND in my opinion ANY creation activity of human beings reflects Mother Nature TRUE.. and not surprising as the patterns are plain to see for THAT above SO below.. inside us physiologically speaking and outside too.. of course.. even down to the level of Quantum physics and the Golden Spiral Mean of 1.618 REFLECTED tHere.. as well.

And science shows that lust is a core source of all human creative activity AND PRODUCTIVITY per not JUST the ACT OF DOING IT.. SO LUST IS A GIFT FROM GOD.. AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT ANYWAY DEEP! INSIDE per innate instinct NO MATTER what their words contradict that WITH on the outside FOR SURE..

AS science shows that to be evidenced as well.. with those little measurement devices that check for size and lubricants WHEN VIEWING PORN IN THE LAB (BY males and SO-CALLED PROPER FEMALES) AND SUCH AS THAT.. and we aren't talking about tires or oil changes either..;)

Life is a beautiful thing at all levels of existence.. both inanimate and animate.. and truly that is all I need to know to have peace of mind as far as existential intelligence goes...

And truly to have peace of mind SOME type of existential intelligence is an innate requirement whether that be through science or the so-called 'good old time' religions of the past.. :)

To suggest it is not.. is to deny one is human.. in my opinion.. and WHY I understand WHY 98 PERCENT OF THE WORLD BELIEVES IN SOMETHING GREATER THAN sHe or He......that makes sense to HE or SHe at least... and in reality of FLESH AND BLOOD life.. that's all that counts per WHAT WORKS FOR EACH DIVERSE AND UNIQUE HUMAN BEING TO get through life with PEACE OF MIND FOR ANY POSSIBILITY OF enjoying JUSt existing as IS. :)


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19 Dec 2014, 12:37 pm

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Apologies for going past your pay scale.

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20 Dec 2014, 11:18 am

Marriage is as obsolete as the institution of slavery. The future isthe big family rather than the nuclear family. We will live under commuismtwhere the whole family is provided for. We will be like the angels who neither marry or are given in marriage.














will belike rock stars and groupies who are married to the band rather thaneach other. Traditional marriage is a form of property but in heaven all property will be abolished. In the big family divorce will not be devastaing because if one person leaves the family a hundred people will still be left.The church will never accept this idea because if it were up to the church we would still have the institution of slavery. In the new communal way of living the cheaters will be the people who declare their wives and property as off limits. There will be no sexually transmitted diseasws because peole will join the big family as virgins and sex outside of the family will not be allo
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22 Dec 2014, 9:33 am

Cash__ wrote:
The bible also says to be fruitful and multiply. So we need to abolish marriage and still be fruitful and multiply. Maybe those baby factory welfare mothers, who have 12 kids from 10 different men, are actually the spiritually enlightened ones. Who would have thought?


They did have the Sacred Temple Prostitutes.

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22 Dec 2014, 9:38 am

androbot2084 wrote:
Marriage is as obsolete as the institution of slavery. The future isthe big family rather than the nuclear family. We will live under commuismtwhere the whole family is provided for. We will be like the angels who neither marry or are given in marriage.

I doubt that as it goes against our natural tendencies of desiring one mate.

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will belike rock stars and groupies who are married to the band rather thaneach other. Traditional marriage is a form of property but in heaven all property will be abolished. In the big family divorce will not be devastaing because if one person leaves the family a hundred people will still be left.The church will never accept this idea because if it were up to the church we would still have the institution of slavery. In the new communal way of living the cheaters will be the people who declare their wives and property as off limits. There will be no sexually transmitted diseasws because peole will join the big family as virgins and sex outside of the family will not be allo
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27 Dec 2014, 10:13 am

You could go to the source to find out.

Not to Christ, but to the next best thing, which is to St. Paul, and ask him.

St. Paul had to keep his flocks in the early christian communities of the Roman Empire in line.

Make sure they didnt misunderstand doctrine. And he answered questions about marriage in his Letters to the Corinthians in the NT.

According to Paul God would NOT "forbid" marriage exactly. Its just that marriage is pointless and inane. With the one caveat- if you're terminally horny and can't keep your paws off of your gf/bf than by ALL MEANS tie the knot so you can do the nasty within marriage.

But really folks--- this is the First Century AD! We all KNOW that the world is about to come to an end. Christ is gonna come back any second, and launch the Apocalypse. So what's the point of changing your social status in any way? If you're married -don't get divorced. If you're single don't get married. And also (he implies without stating this) that marriage is about things like:raising children, and passing on property. All of the future stuff. We all know that there ain't gonna be a future. So why prepare for it by doing stuff like getting married! The End is niegh!

For some reason Christians have drifted away from this idea, and do get married, and even invoke Christ to sanctify it.

I don't get it.

Just because it's taken Jesus 2000 years longer than Paul thought it would to come back is no excuse!
Keep on holding your breath! And keep on not getting married I say! Jesus could still drop in any second!