To people who say poverty doesn't exist in America
Kraichgauer
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That's irresponsible and self-centered as hell.
And you can keep your bad manners to yourself.
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Minimum wage increases:
Seattle to $15/hr by 2018
Chicago $13/hr by 2019
DC to $10.40/hr
Louisville to $9/hr
Missouri to $7.65/hr
*Federal is $7.25/hr
many labor groups, and workers across the nation are looking at Seattle, and thinking, hey, we are doing the exact same work, and only making half the pay (e.g., a fast food worker in Seattle will make two times what an equivalent fast food worker will make in Missouri).
this is going to be interesting to see if Seattle businesses will flee or other parts of the nation will join Seattle
in the meantime, as the US low wage service economy grows and grows, there will be a lot of bitterness from these workers wondering why they can't get a "liveable wage" like Seattle workers
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Seattle to $15/hr by 2018
Chicago $13/hr by 2019
DC to $10.40/hr
Louisville to $9/hr
Missouri to $7.65/hr
*Federal is $7.25/hr
many labor groups, and workers across the nation are looking at Seattle, and thinking, hey, we are doing the exact same work, and only making half the pay (e.g., a fast food worker in Seattle will make two times what an equivalent fast food worker will make in Missouri).
this is going to be interesting to see if Seattle businesses will flee or other parts of the nation will join Seattle
in the meantime, as the US low wage service economy grows and grows, there will be a lot of bitterness from these workers wondering why they can't get a "liveable wage" like Seattle workers
But just think of all those Chinese peasants who have great new jobs! Don't they deserve to make a good living too?
Why should Americans get all the good jobs?
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Kraichgauer
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It wasn't that big a deal even there.
Anyone in reasonable health who thinks that they must have an air conditioner is nothing more than a spoiled brat.
We don't have an air conditioner, either - do have a ceiling fan, though.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
It wasn't that big a deal even there.
Anyone in reasonable health who thinks that they must have an air conditioner is nothing more than a spoiled brat.
We don't have an air conditioner, either - do have a ceiling fan, though.
I got a swamp cooler for the house. I haven't used it in a couple of years, though.
GoonSquad
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Seattle to $15/hr by 2018
Chicago $13/hr by 2019
DC to $10.40/hr
Louisville to $9/hr
Missouri to $7.65/hr
*Federal is $7.25/hr
many labor groups, and workers across the nation are looking at Seattle, and thinking, hey, we are doing the exact same work, and only making half the pay (e.g., a fast food worker in Seattle will make two times what an equivalent fast food worker will make in Missouri).
this is going to be interesting to see if Seattle businesses will flee or other parts of the nation will join Seattle
in the meantime, as the US low wage service economy grows and grows, there will be a lot of bitterness from these workers wondering why they can't get a "liveable wage" like Seattle workers
Makes me wonder what the cost of living in Missouri compared to Seattle is though? So I went Googling
http://www.missourieconomy.org/indicato ... /index.stm
The UK minimuum wage is £6.50/hr but the mayor of London encourages employers to pay a London Living Wage of £9.15/hr.
https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
http://www.london.gov.uk/priorities/bus ... iving-wage
Is that the percentage of homes that need it or does it include places like Alaska, Washington, Rhode Island and Wyoming where circumstances rarely call for it?
Have you ever lived in Rhode Island in the summer?
It's not that circumstances rarely call for air conditioning here (practically all *new* construction includes central air). It's that so much of the housing here is over a hundred years' old, there's no way to retrofit central air without significant construction and remodeling.
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It wasn't that big a deal even there.
Anyone in reasonable health who thinks that they must have an air conditioner is nothing more than a spoiled brat.
What if they heat sensitive?...now granted there are some other ways to stay a little cooler aside from air-conditioning, but there are reasons for them aside from people being spoiled brats. I have low tolerance for when its really hot out and have passed out/puked from over-heating, not fun....the house I live in now has no air conditioning but I have a basement room so stays kinda cooler if I get too hot in the summer.
One can be in reasonable health and still have that issue.
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Is that the percentage of homes that need it or does it include places like Alaska, Washington, Rhode Island and Wyoming where circumstances rarely call for it?
Have you ever lived in Rhode Island in the summer?
It's not that circumstances rarely call for air conditioning here (practically all *new* construction includes central air). It's that so much of the housing here is over a hundred years' old, there's no way to retrofit central air without significant construction and remodeling.
Here in the eastern side of Washington state, which is the polar opposite of the rain forest-like conditions of the state's west side, can get very hot at times in the summer.
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Is that the percentage of homes that need it or does it include places like Alaska, Washington, Rhode Island and Wyoming where circumstances rarely call for it?
Have you ever lived in Rhode Island in the summer?
It's not that circumstances rarely call for air conditioning here (practically all *new* construction includes central air). It's that so much of the housing here is over a hundred years' old, there's no way to retrofit central air without significant construction and remodeling.
Here in the eastern side of Washington state, which is the polar opposite of the rain forest-like conditions of the state's west side, can get very hot at times in the summer.
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It wasn't that big a deal even there.
Anyone in reasonable health who thinks that they must have an air conditioner is nothing more than a spoiled brat.
What if they heat sensitive?...now granted there are some other ways to stay a little cooler aside from air-conditioning, but there are reasons for them aside from people being spoiled brats. I have low tolerance for when its really hot out and have passed out/puked from over-heating, not fun....the house I live in now has no air conditioning but I have a basement room so stays kinda cooler if I get too hot in the summer.
One can be in reasonable health and still have that issue.
You don't have fans?
Most of my extended family here in America still live in "third-world conditions." They have to choose between clothes and food and education and sometimes rent. These conditions were imposed by the coal companies and Teddy Roosevelt (who stole our land and sent us to the coalmines and used the military to keep us without profitable wages.)
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Kraichgauer
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Is that the percentage of homes that need it or does it include places like Alaska, Washington, Rhode Island and Wyoming where circumstances rarely call for it?
Have you ever lived in Rhode Island in the summer?
It's not that circumstances rarely call for air conditioning here (practically all *new* construction includes central air). It's that so much of the housing here is over a hundred years' old, there's no way to retrofit central air without significant construction and remodeling.
Here in the eastern side of Washington state, which is the polar opposite of the rain forest-like conditions of the state's west side, can get very hot at times in the summer.
Certainly there have been times, such as one winter in my college years that saw polar winds that had closed down not only the public schools, but also all the colleges. Not to mention the so called "ice storm," that had shut down all power in the Spokane area. So far, this winter has been pretty mild... knock on wood.
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It wasn't that big a deal even there.
Anyone in reasonable health who thinks that they must have an air conditioner is nothing more than a spoiled brat.
What if they heat sensitive?...now granted there are some other ways to stay a little cooler aside from air-conditioning, but there are reasons for them aside from people being spoiled brats. I have low tolerance for when its really hot out and have passed out/puked from over-heating, not fun....the house I live in now has no air conditioning but I have a basement room so stays kinda cooler if I get too hot in the summer.
One can be in reasonable health and still have that issue.
I'm heat sensitive too and cannot sleep in it. If it's not in the 80's, I am fine without it. I can just use regular fans to keep cool.
Also people have died from heatstrokes because they couldn't afford to stay cool. Whenever we get a heatwave, places here offer shelter for people to stay at during the day to stay cool because they can't afford AC. I have left my apartment and would go to a mall just to keep cool and just look at books. This was before I had kids.
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