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26 Dec 2014, 7:41 am

Muhammad said that the Q'uran was dictated to him, that he did not write it, that he was only a man who was given visions and messages.

I believe that he consistently told people not to follow HIM, but to obey the Q'uran as God's Word.

Jesus did claim to be more than human, spoke and taught with authority, healed people,contradicted the prevailing religious wisdom not by quoting an angel, but by saying: "but I say unto you.....", indicating that he had more authority than the high priests and the prophets.

He claimed to be the Son of God. Muhammad only claimed to be a prophet, to be repeating what was told to him.

Jesus offered miracles as proof of being more than human.

Muhammad led armies.

Jesus replaced the cut-off ear of a soldier who came to arrest Him, which would lead to certain torture and death.

Jesus told people to follow him.

From what I understand of his message, Muhammad did not.


I believe that SOME Muslims have, over the last two thousand years, begun to elevate their prophet to something like a Messiah, though, meaning that they follow the man, not the message.

The Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, taught that he had found or been allowed to find The Path, and my understanding is that he wanted people to search for The Eightfold Path, not elevate him to divinity.

I always thought that he would have been so hurt to see thousands of images of himself, some layered with gold leaf and jewels, while so many suffer.


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26 Dec 2014, 9:02 am

I think there is good and bad about religion, well everything really.

One good thing is that it can give someone something to have a strong faith in and thus something to live for.

However. One of the reasons I distance myself from religion is because I feel that it is very controlling. It has made me very uncomfortable ever since childhood.

I find other ways to have something to live for. And since I despise the control-factor I feel is heavy in religion, I just stay away from it all together.


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26 Dec 2014, 12:15 pm

I follow no human.

But I learn from all humans, past and present.

Jesus and Muhammad are two examples of millions I learn from.

The Spirit leads me, and lives within me.

Some folks call IT Creativity AND SOME FOLKS call it Holy Spirit.

IT is free for all who seek and find IT.

IT requires absolutely no particular linguistics of written word.

IT is just IT and ALL that IS aka GOD or Mother Nature True. :)

To worship or FOLLOW a three letter word

OR MORE OF WORDS OR BOOKS alone

OR name of Jesus or Muhammad IS ONE

AND SAME AS WORSHIPPING OR

FOLLOWING A HONDA OR A FERRARI.

BOTH PROVIDE BASIC TRANSPORTATION

AND ONE GOES FASTER THAN THE OTHER

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS BOTH ARE JUST FRIGGING CARS. ;)

AND on TOP of that dancing 'naked' IS JUST mORE frigging FUN. :)


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26 Dec 2014, 12:18 pm

aghogday wrote:
I follow no human.

But I learn from all humans, past and present.

Jesus and Muhammad are two examples of millions I learn from.

The Spirit leads me, and lives within me.

Some folks call IT Creativity AND SOME FOLKS call it Holy Spirit.

IT is free for all who seek and find IT.

IT requires absolutely no particular linguistics of written word.

IT is just IT and ALL that IS aka GOD or Mother Nature True. :)

To worship or FOLLOW a three letter word

OR MORE OF WORDS OR BOOKS alone

OR name of Jesus or Muhammad IS ONE

AND SAME AS WORSHIPPING OR

FOLLOWING A HONDA OR A FERRARI.

BOTH PROVIDE BASIC TRANSPORTATION

AND ONE GOES FASTER THAN THE OTHER

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS BOTH ARE JUST FRIGGING CARS. ;)

AND on TOP of that dancing 'naked' IS JUST mORE frigging FUN. :)


Beautiful interpretation of the true meaning of spirituality. Just beautiful. :heart:


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26 Dec 2014, 12:46 pm

^^^

Thanks!.. with the heart smilie thingy too. ;)

Five different KINDs of love are identified and noted by 'science'.

People tend to give what they like to receive in terms of language of love.

Some speak with A language of love that is gifts, others speak with words of affirmation,
touch, quality time, and the fifth is acts of service.

Some folks speak with one or none or all these languages of love.

I say there is a sixth type of love and it is unconditional excluding NONE OF CREATION AS IS.

WHEN ONE LIVES IN this sixth type of love receiving and giving becomes one and SAME.

And the spirit of creativity CAN go on and NEVER ENDING IN NOW.

And that for me as one is HEAVEN IN NOW with ALLONE NEVER ALONE AGAIN IN NOW. :)

So I say now simply HAPPY NOW. ;)


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26 Dec 2014, 1:37 pm

Neither.
Same goes for Joseph Smith, Zarathustra and L. Ron Hubbard. No cultist nonsense for me, kthnx?


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26 Dec 2014, 5:45 pm

Jesus Christ he is king of kings, lord of lords and conquered the grave!! !



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26 Dec 2014, 5:57 pm

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Jesus Christ he is king of kings, lord of lords and conquered the grave!! !


For my own personal vantage point, I am in total agreement with you. But I don't presume to shove it down the throats of my brother and sister Aspies on this forum.


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26 Dec 2014, 6:43 pm

Don't know who I would follow, but I know that Mohamed would be an easier candidate to sell in an American election campain. He was a successful businessman, and a warlord, and had a number of spouses and kids that you could put in front of a camera to show how he was a "family man". Christ was a homeless unemployed bachelor.



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26 Dec 2014, 7:03 pm

AntDog wrote:
Jesus Christ he is king of kings, lord of lords and conquered the grave!! !


So did Odin. So now what, this is a dilemma, Jesus or Odin?



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26 Dec 2014, 8:00 pm

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Jesus would kick Mohammeds ass!


I'd put my money on Mohammed. Wasn't he some type of tribal warlord? and Jesus was largely a pacifist. Jesus can make wine and bread. Whereas Mohammed has some type of magic horse.

or were you thinking long term. Like Mohammed could never win because jesus would just keep resurrecting after he was killed.



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26 Dec 2014, 8:01 pm

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Jesus Christ he is king of kings, lord of lords and conquered the grave!! !


There is much compelling evidence that the resurrection never happened and that the story of the crucifixion is full of holes. People will believe what they are conditioned to believe and not even examine evidence that conflicts with their conditioning. Old news.



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26 Dec 2014, 8:19 pm

chagya wrote:
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Jesus Christ he is king of kings, lord of lords and conquered the grave!! !
There is much compelling evidence that the resurrection never happened and that the story of the crucifixion is full of holes. People will believe what they are conditioned to believe and not even examine evidence that conflicts with their conditioning. Old news.
Regardless, how can you not like a guy who stopped a woman from being stoned to death, and who once told everyone, "Blessed are the peacemakers ..."?


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26 Dec 2014, 8:48 pm

Fnord wrote:
chagya wrote:
AntDog wrote:
Jesus Christ he is king of kings, lord of lords and conquered the grave!! !
There is much compelling evidence that the resurrection never happened and that the story of the crucifixion is full of holes. People will believe what they are conditioned to believe and not even examine evidence that conflicts with their conditioning. Old news.
Regardless, how can you not like a guy who stopped a woman from being stoned to death, and who once told everyone, "Blessed are the peacemakers ..."?


I do admire Jesus as a man. Just saying that his glorification is baseless.



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27 Dec 2014, 5:21 am

The Resurrection has always been questioned, but I was not aware of serious, scholastic doubts that the Crucifixion was being questioned.

Books?

Authors?

Websites?


No trying to start a spat, just want sources I can check.


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27 Dec 2014, 8:39 am

Dear Funeralxempire,

Don't forget Cyrus Teed!


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